Penalising Pages

Will these ever make it good?

[KatyCee]

I am convinced that one of my pages was Penalized by Google. After a couple of months I relooked at this page and I think that it is a bit too Keyword Dense. I have now sorted this out, redone all parts of the page and now I think it is better.

Once you have a blackmark against your name for a particular page can it ever redeem itself? Or should I start again with a new page?

[internetheaven]

Whenever I've been penalised, it has been for my whole site. Are you sure you have been penalised for this page? Could it be that you just have a bad ranking?

IH

[KatyCee]

At first I thought I might have just not been ranking high, but I know that we were doing all our other pages reasonably correctly. Generally speaking we can get it right, but this page was stumping us. Infact the page that Google did eventually pull for that particular key word was a 'how do find what your looking for page ' - which was not even optimised for the keyword. The page we had originally optimised had it all : Anchor Text, Title, H1's, Key Words, Meta Descriptions, In bound / Outbound Text, Optimised Copy... the works! This page was optimised for the plural of a certain keyword. Interestingly we have been number # 1 on another page for the singular of that keyword for about a year.

[garylo]

What make you think you were penalyzed?

[KatyCee]

I think I was penalised because When I type in the optimised words plus my tradename ( ie Blue Widgets widgetshop ) A different page is coming up..not the page that I have put all my efforts into!

[KatyCee]

Maybe my questions should be :

Does Google penalise individual pages ?

and if the answer is YES.. then my next question would be :

Does Google relook at these pages and treat them as if they have always been OK?

[garylo]

Does Google penalise individual pages?

Yes.

Does Google relook at these pages and treat them as if they have always been OK?

your question is not quite clear to me. Anyway, if an internal page carry a PR of 3 and higher, most chances are that it is not penalized. What is your pages' PR?

[mbennie]

If the page was penalized via the algorithm then it seems that the penalty will be lifted after the next crawl.

I don't think Google manually penalizes any one page.

[buckworks]

It sounds as though your page is being ranked differently because something in the algorithm shifted a bit. That's not a penalty, it's just the way life is. When various factors are weighted differently, pages will move up or down depending on what their strengths are.

You don't need to do anything special to get Google to look at the page again. Just keep working on the things we know Google likes, and your changes will get picked up in a future update and evaluated according to the algorithm operating at that time.

[KatyCee]

The PR on the page is PR5

So I guess if I have made changes then I'll have to wait for the new updates. Which is what I'd have to do if I started a new page entirely.

Thanks for the thoughts. I'll not be writing such Keyword Dense pages next time!

[jimbeetle]

I think that it is a bit too Keyword Dense

Google's webmaster guidelines [google.com] don't make specific references to penalties, but do speak about "deceptive or manipulative behavior." A few extra keywords on a page aren't quite deceptive or manipulative; it's probably just that the search algo determined that other pages better meet the criteria.

I have now sorted this out, redone all parts of the page and now I think it is better.

Tweaking was the right thing to do. Since you've already made the adjustments your best bet now is to wait a bit and see what happens during the next couple of updates. You should also check to see if the page is indexed by Google:

allinurl:www.yourdomain.com site:www.yourdomain.com

If not, make sure that the page is reachable by the spiders.

Jim

[garylo]

I'll not be writing such Keyword Dense pages next time!

The reason you were out ranked is definitely not due to dense keywords. Look somewhere else.