Back Links from High Ranking Forums (Moved from Link Development)

Does it count as back link

[indiabackoffice]

I saw a site link on a forum page which had a PR of 8. There was only this one outgoing link on this forum page. I checked the back links of this website and it showed this forum page as a back link. But the page rank of this website was just 5. My questions are
1. Does google consider this forum page as genuine back link? I guess yes because else it wont have shown it in the sites's back links.
2. If it considered it as a back link then it should have 6-7 points as there were many other back links also to this site. But it has only 5.

I guess this thing might have been discussed before, but I coudnt find it. If any one know the link about this please let me know.

[Powdork]

Check to see if the page the link is coming from is a full page size frame. If it is, right click on the page, hit properties, and then cut and paste the real url into your browser. As long as it doesn't automatically redirect to the frameset you will then see the actual linking page's pr.

[indiabackoffice]

No Powdork, Its not the case its a pure url no frames. The out going link is also pure href.

The link of the page is some thing like this [forum.xyz....] abc.com/ thread.jsp?thread=234432&forum=21&message=1234234 .

[BigDave]

How many total links are there?

Some forum pages have hundreds of internal links on them.

[bluecorr]

Try seeing if the forum page is actually indexed by checking backlinks. If it is then the page from where you click on the link should appear. If it can't find any backlinks most probably the forum page has a guessed PR of 8 while its real PR is lower.

[joeuz]

Hello,

indiabackoffice, I have seen a PR9 give only a PR5 to a page to which it links. The PR9 page is indexed in Google, and is not in a frame. It has only 5 links on it, so it should give at least a PR7. So obviously their is more to PR distribution. My guess is other factors play a role in how much PR is given to a linked page:

- age of the link (how long the link has been there)
- relevancy of the link (are the two pages related in subject). I think this is important because I have not noticed such behaviour among pages of the same website. If a PR9 page on a website links to another page on the same website, then that page will most probably end up with a PR8. Not so with linking to pages on a different website.

Joe

[indiabackoffice]

It's a bit tough to explain but here is the full scenario.

There is a site say www.widgets.com. The page rank for this site is 6. It has 162 back links.

There is one internal page in this site which is www.widgets.com/someinternalpage.htm. This internal page is linked back from the forum with 8 points. The forum page has around 50 internal links and hardly 4-5 external page links. If this page had no back links then also it should have 5 points. But it has this 8 points extra back link plus 3-4 more other site back links. So its points should be actually lot more?

There are other few pages on this site which has no back link accept the home page and it also has 5 points?

The page on the forum is surely chached.

[BigDave]

You are complicating things too much. You generally only need two numbers.

Toolbar PageRank of the forum page.
Total number of links leaving the forum page.

Backlinks do not matter, as long as it is a real PR and not a guessed PR.

For example, [webmasterworld.com...] has a toolbar PR of PR7, and from a quick count I got 179 links (though I did not count too carefully)

If we disregard the damping factor and just went with the common guess of the log base used for toolbar PR scale of 6, and assuming that it is a low PR7.

With 6 links it would pass PR6 to all the pages.
With 36 links it would pass PR5 to all the pages.
With 216 links it would pass PR4 to all the pages.

So if one of the pages off the Google News forum has no other incoming links, it would likely be a PR4 with just that one backlink.

It has been suggested that somewhere between 150 and 200 links on a page, the links will incur an additional PR reduction, but I don't know if it is true or not.