Does guessed pr travel across domains?

and its effect on freshbot

[Powdork]

Just a thought to toss out.
There seems to be general agreement that freshbot will crawl your pages to depth determined by your sites pr. this would lead one to believe they are using a guessed pr for the pages depending on how many clicks it takes to get to the new pages from the previously indexed pages with a known pr.
For example:
Assuming freshbot will crawl pages with a guessed pr of 4. Your site is pr 7 and you add a new page (guessed pr 6) which links to a new page (guessed pr 6) that links to a new page (guessed pr 5) which links to a new page (guessed pr 4). Also assuming freshbot indexes all pages it crawls, all these pages would be indexed with fresh tags.
My question is; Would this work the same if the original pr 7 link was from a different domain? Does the guessed pr work the same when it is from outside the domain?

[MHes]

I think yes.

When we have launched a site via a link from a pr7 site the whole new site has been indexed by fresh bot.

If google works on a 'page basis' rather than a 'site' basis then it does not matter where the link is coming from, all it sees is a high pr link to a 'page', and then follows a new link from that 'page' to the next and so on..... I think :)

[ruserious]

What makes you think Googlebot would even see hte guessed PR. IMHO it is only a feature for the toolbar. What gain would there be if Googlebot saw/used it? I say none. Google sees PR a "democratic vote" through linking. Why give a page that is not linked from anywhere the same weight as high PR page?

[doc_z]

I don't thing that the guessed PR is only a feature for the toolbar. The reason is that new pages I added to my site after the update (i.e. with guessed PR) appear in the search results at a higher position than older pages with real PR. Of course, the ranking not only depends on PR, but if these pages would have no PR I would expect that they are either not in the search results or appear at the end (since the other pages have PR3-PR5).

To answer to original question: My experience is that the guessed PR is only influenced by properties of that domain not by incoming links from other domains. (But I could be wrong.)

[MHes]

doc_z - What about a brand new site/domain? It appears the ranking it initially gets is close to the next update ranking when it achieves a firm pr. Therefore some form of pr must have been allocated by the freshbot, based on the pr of the outside link it found the new site via.

If this was not part of the freshbot algo, then all brand new sites would appear quite well and then have very different rankings after the update, which appears not to be the case.

Surely the freshbot has to guess pr from an external link when it finds the site for the first time, and subsequent pr is 90% based on external links, rather than internal.

[doc_z]

MHes

when you launched the site via a link from a pr7 site:
- did you add the link after the monthly update or did Google already show this backlink?
- did you add other backlinks before?

If you added all backlinks after the update and you got a PR guess for a brand new domain, this would indeed show that external links contribute for this estimate.

[jady]

Yes! New site launched 2 weeks ago got deep crawled and hit by fresh bot already (even before it has a page rank - still greyed!) and the site is ranking #3 for search terms. Have STRONG inbound links on PR7 and PR8 homepages.. (That always helps)

[Powdork]

Mhes, Jady, It would be good to know for these new sites how many directory levels (clicks from nearest indexed page) freshbot has traveled.
Ruserious, I don't think Gbot sees the guessed pr but I do think it knows the actual pr of the last indexed page. I think it is the one actually guessing the pr in this case and I think it does it in the same way as the toolbar. I'm curious about whether it would travel across domains. It would make sense that it does IMO.
Thanks for the replies.

[MHes]

doc_z
we have launched several sites and arranged some links in during the month (between updates). The whole new site gets indexed usually 3 or 4 days later. As new links are found during this initial month, the freshbot keeps finding the site and/or refinds the initial links. The site usually gets dropped a few days before the dance.

I suspect a from a home page link on a good pr site helps keep the new site in the index.

Powdork - All the pages one click from home get indexed, folders seem to make no difference. I think deeper pages also get indexed (2 clicks from home) because all our pages are static and very fast loading, so the spider eats them up very quickly. However, because of the nature of the sites, people deep link to us so the spider finds the site from several angles! I remember that we have had several deep pages indexed a few days before the home page got in!

[ciml]

I agree 100% with MHes. The fresh listings for a completely new URL depend on the PR or the link it's found by. This has no relation to the Toolbar guess.

My question has been, does this happen for existing URLs when a link is added? I think not.