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webdev

10:42 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have had a site in Google since about Dec 2002.

Ticking over quite nicely PR of 4 for the last 3 months.

Suddenly this update 0

I admit I have managed a couple of incoming links only over the weeks but even so there is a couple of links. These sites are now going to stop linking due to the PR0 penalty making things even worse.

I have not done any hidden text, funny colours, link farming.......I guarantee

I have spent nights slaving over producing a new design and added content ready to upload to the site but now I can't put it anywhere because its gone to PR0 so would be wasted, as most people say throw away the domain and start agin.

Is it possible that this sould be a mistake at all and maybe it will come back in the next update.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Brett_Tabke

10:43 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Only 3months old? Is it still even in the index? White bar or gray bar?

webdev

10:45 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes in the index as it still shows on the domain name typing into google search.

Bar has gone all white which I believe is a penalty :(

Brett_Tabke

10:46 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Rerolled domain name?

webdev

10:54 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How do you mean Brett are you talking about the recent domain buying up from expired names.

I did buy this domain name recently (Novemebr)however there is no archive in the archive website, although all other versions of this domain name have been taken could maybe someone previously have used it for bad things.

Even when it had a PR of 4 it only showed 2 backlinks and this was ones that I had got by emailing other sites.

When I first used this domain it wasn't even in Google (searching for the domain name) and only arrived after it was found through the incoming links I had asked for from other sites in January.

Thanks for your time by the way.

deejay

11:06 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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With only two external backlinks there are a number of possibilities, including the domain issues that Brett mentions.

1 PR of backlinks may have fallen, decreasing the PR available to your pages.

2 Backlinking pages may have added a heap more links to their pages, decreasing the PR available to your page.

3 Backlinking pages may have changed format of links so they are no longer passing PR correctly (eg, via redirect or java links), or be excluding/limiting spiders via robots.txt or meta tags.

4 Backlinks may not have been in place when spidering for previous index was done. Either because backlinking page was down or backlinks had not been acquired at that date.

None of the above are penalties, they just mean that PR is insufficient for you to have a rank no.

I have seen a site ride on 'assumed' PR for a couple of indexes/months with only one low quality backlink to get them into the index. If the site is only three months old then it is entirely possible that your PR4 was not actually 'real' PR to start with.

webdev

11:12 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That does make me feel slightly better, as I have a heap load of additional content etc... and link building I want to add to the site....my dilema however is if there is a penalty then will this all be in vain.

I would of though a PR of 1 maybe would me more realistic....at least showing me there will be light at the end of the tunnel if I continue to build and grow.

I'm just a bit scared to get links from sites adding my new content and this still not making a difference.

Ideally knowing if a penalty has been imposed would be wonderful because I can fix what is supposedly wrong....again if there is a penalty....this seems to be the hardest part....

deejay

11:19 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I really wouldn't worry too much about it if you are sure you've kept your nose clean.

If the two links you have are from sites so smallminded *ahem* that they will remove the links in this circumstance, then forget about them and go looking elsewhere.

Spend an afternoon and apply to as many suitable sites as possible. There are plenty out there who don't know or don't care about page rank, and/or are more interested in your sites value to their users. Make sure you point out in your letter that you are a NEW site, but don't refer to Google or PR at all. Those in the know will check your PR anyway, those not in the know won't care or will get paranoid.

I certainly wouldn't go throwing away the domain just yet.

Philosopher

11:33 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A couple of things I would do.

1) Run a backlink check in Google. Most likely it will show nothing, but just in case.

2) Visit the pages that were linking to you and make sure they haven't done anything that would have a negative effect on you as deejay mentioned (redirects in the URL etc.)

3) Look at Googles cached version of those pages and see if it shows your links as still being there.

If the PR of the pages that were linking to you is still adequate and a bunch of other links haven't been added AND your link is still showing on Google's cached version of the page, then there is a good chance of some sort of penalty such as the new domain expiration filter that Google recently implemented.

If it looks like you may have some sort of penalty and you can afford to wait, you can see what happens on the next update otherwise, you might consider contacting Google with the information about your site, what has happened etc.

After all, this new expiration filter is new and is sure to have a few bugs (not saying that's what it is, but it is a possibility) and it may be something tripped the filter with your site.

tbear

11:35 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey webdev,
my best client's site dived into google doing well, then disappeared then reappeared, then.....
A year and a bit later things are stable and they are doing very well, thank you!
It took them 3 months to be indexed by google, What do you want?
The best buildings are built on solid foundations, these take time to put in place. Give it time. I didn't ask questions when my 'livelihood' looked at stake. I, like you, knew I had done the correct thing. I just had to have a little patience and bide my time.
A year later, I am top of the SERPs for our little keywords and every other 'wannabe' web designer(?) wonders what tricks I have up my sleeve.
My advice?
Keep it clean. You know it makes sense! (works)
But it takes time (and patience is a virtue!).
Good luck.
If you have a good, well made wbsite, in the end it will come out tops!

div01

11:51 pm on Mar 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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webdev,

You are certainly not alone, I've had the exact same thing happen to me.

quiet

12:11 am on Mar 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have the same problem. And I spent a ton of time going through this site and others to make sure I was squeeky clean before submitting.

Does a "white" bar mean penalty?

deejay

12:28 am on Mar 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi quiet

A white PR bar doesn't necessarily mean a penalty. It can mean PR of less than 1.

quiet

12:59 am on Mar 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"0", I can deal with.... and it would make much more sense to me since last month's PR4 should have just been freshbot. So you spend time compiling pretty decent content (and hoping for improvements) only to have that happen. Kind of destroys a good mood after being out of town for a few days.

So here I sat wondering if something I did with style sheets screwed me up (since I just started learning how to use them) with having white text inside a dark div though the background of the page is white. Which I'm sure is ok but you start questioning whether your syntax or style gooped up the works.

I'd think there would be some trick to determining whether you have a pentalty or not. No, hey?

Meanwhile, thanks, and I'll stop beating my head against the poor wall. ;)

quiet

4:07 am on Mar 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyone know if deepbot hits penalized sites?

gramski

8:43 am on Mar 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've also had a three month old site just downgraded to PR0, its got very few backlinks and no outgoing links - I'm hoping its just a low rank and not a penalty. About deepbot coming back - for the past two days I've had visits from a google IP 216.239.45.4 but the user agent looks like its a real person rather than a bot - is that possible? I'm hoping a real live person is looking at my site because if they do they will see that there's nothing spammy about it! Do people at google check things manually?

Powdork

9:26 am on Mar 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It sounds like you guys are victims of the new expired domain filter. There are many threads about this currently. Basically, sites rebuilt on expired domains will lose (Google will no longer count) the backlinks in place when the domain is reregistered. It is a new filter so links that previously counted for you may no longer. There are also reports of links added after registration are being filtered out too.

lawman

9:36 am on Mar 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, I just checked the stats on one of my sites this week - Google referrals were in the tank. For some reason the home page still has its usual measly page rank, but all the rest have PR0. I built everything myself - no trick stuff.

Anybody tried contacting Google yet to see what's up?

lawman

Powdork

9:46 am on Mar 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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for the past two days I've had visits from a google IP 216.239.45.4

I think the deep crawl bot starts with 216.239.46...

ciml

1:39 pm on Mar 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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gramski, yes it looks like a person to me.

That doesn't mean that it was definitely a spam review. Google employees probably shop, look at art, read news and sports results just like the rest of us.

webdev

3:38 pm on Mar 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Whats annoying me is that even if I type the site name into google, it used to be on the first page and now its about 10 pages down.

Say I'm called burger king and my url is burger king. whatever......

i no longer show up in the top 50 results......thats why I'm thinking penalty becasue most other sites that you type into google by name appear on the first page.

quiet

3:56 pm on Mar 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Powdork,

Well.... our domain *is* fairly new to us (Oct 2002) but we don't have that many backlinks and the ones that do show were definitely created after we put the site up and are a result of our work. I'd think if the expired domain issue applied to us that I would have seen other backlinks.... but then again... what do *I* know, hey?