To Frame Or Frame?

Can framed keyword domains help increase ranking?

[Sharron]

I am looking at establishing a set of keyword domain names, these URLs will have a list of links and keywords in a no frame tag and a framed section. There will be no page affiliated to the domain, which a SE shouldn’t know because we are hoping it would think it is within the frame that it can’t read.

The keyword domain names will take you directly to our main home site if you clicked on them on a SE search.

We have been told that by placing links to other sites and keywords in the no frame section we can increase the chances of being well ranked in the way you would with a doorway page without having to visit an physical page and click through to the main site.

Does anyone see any major problem with this? I know SE don’t like frames because they can’t read them but given we wouldn’t have anything in the frame this shouldn’t be an issue should it?

I am now convinced that doorway pages are not the way forward to increase ranking. We are somewhat limited on placing links to our site so I am searching for options beyond optimisation of the actual site to increase ranking and this is the only one I have been presented with that seems viable. Any comments would be appreciated.

[SmallTime]

Didn't we discuss this? [webmasterworld.com...]
I am guessing you are feeling a little nervous about it.
Perhaps someone will come along with some direct experience to share.

[Sharron]

You are right we touched on it during the discussion on whether to use doorway pages or not, hence my conclusion not to use the doorway pages. However I am stuggling to understand the reasons that using a framed page that isn't seen but sends the user straight to the main site is not an option.

Whilst I can now produce what I believe to be a good case against doorway pages (thank you all for your input)I am do not seem to have an alternative other than this method. The mere mention of frames seems to bring up a red flag and I can understand why this would be so for the main site. I have been charged with finding ways of improving our listing and need to be able to explain why options that are presented to us are not, which is why I wondered if anyone could expand on the frame aversion, confirm that this method is indeed spamming or tell me that it's worth giving it a go and that they have done something similar....

[paynt]

Hello Sharron. I did find discussion on this topic which may interest you.

Doorways and frames?
question about SEO with framed site [webmasterworld.com] May 1, 2002

Does Re-direct to frameset affect SE rank? [webmasterworld.com] June 26, 2001

Redirects
Javascript and Meta refresh [webmasterworld.com] April 19, 2002

Frames & Javascript Redirects -- Help!
Trying to get around frames by using a redirect -- will I hurt my rankings? [webmasterworld.com] Jan. 14, 2002

Newbie: Redirection and 3rd level domains. [webmasterworld.com] Mar. 1, 2002 {Brett responds}

Some redirection services use 100% frames and pull up the actual page inside the frames. So then <noframes> has to be used, and the site pages linked to from within that section.

Javascript and meta refresh redirects are different - Marcia - Mar. 6, 2002 - Doorway?, Mirror?, Just not sure...
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Re-directs [webmasterworld.com] June 13, 2001

I know that's a lot to get started with but around here we like folks to make up their own mind. These discussions hopefully will lend you a hand in deciding what's right for your business.

Personally I encourage sites to build the optimization into the site. Work and build upon what you have.

I may have more to post later after we hear from others. Just wanted to get something out to you quickly so you can start your study:)

[Sharron]

Thanks Paynt, all printed and waiting to be digested, however I fear I'm now going to come back with a load of questions such as "What's a Meta Refresh?" Am guessing it isn't some isotonic beverage I should be looking out for at the Gym?

[paynt]

Ha Sharron <grin>

I found this terrific discussion today when searching for something else, now we'll really confuse you :)

Should we be teaching students frames? [webmasterworld.com]