Submission Frequency

[Andros]

Okay, I'm very new here and since arriving I've learned alot from the website and the messages I've read so far on the forums but there is something that I'm a bit confused about. I was always under the impression that if you resubmit your URL to a search engine too frequently you would get flagged as a spammer and not get listed or get moved farther down the list of sites to be reviewed but I get here and read that some search engines will let you submit as often as 20 times per day or more? Does this mean different pages within the same domain or the same page? How often is too often and when is not often enough? If I submit my page and it's already in the directory do I run the risk of getting removed or bumped down?

[Brett_Tabke]

My rules of thumb:

Never submit:
- the same page more than once every 8 days to the same engine.
- more than 10 urls to the same engine under the same ip address.
- more than 15 urls from the same domain to the same engine in a day.
- more than 50 urls from the same domain to the same engine in a week.

Others:
- clean cookies as often as you can tolerate.
- do accept all cookies from the se's and then delete them later.
- don't use bogus email adrs when submitting to hotbot/lycos or Northern Light. (they DO check for bounces every-once-in-awhile). But DO give them a email address - try to make it a different one as often as you can.
- If a page is ranking high, leave it alone until it falls. Don't update the page, don't resubmit the url - don't be a fool man, leave it 100% alone (trust me). You never know when the spider will come back. If the page is ranking high and the spider comes back and finds a different page, kiss your rankings goodbye (alta is getting good at this).

thats all I can think of for now...

What'd I forget - it doesn't feel complete?
[marker rcjordan]

[rcjordan]

Read the "rule of thumb" --do you think that Anzwers can tolerate higher per day? Say 25 3rd-level domains (ex: something.mysite.com), via dumpTruck?

[Brett_Tabke]

I wouldn't go over 25 with Anzwers. That is a direct unfiltered line into Inktomi - you don't want to tick them off.

[lizzie]

How can I find out my IP address?
I'm wondering if I can use a dial up ISP
and get a different address each time it connects?

[2_much]

Hi, I have a few submission questions as well...

* It seems that MSN is no longer accepting free submissions, and is using Looksmart's Express Submit instead. Is there a way to make free submissions to Looksmart?

* Excite and Altavista are still accepting submissions to their database, although they're using Looksmart for secondary results?

* Since Lycos is powered by DMOZ, Fast, and Direct Hit, is it necessary to submit to them? They do have a submit URL link...

* Is it effective to submit to Hotbot in order to get into Inktomi...I am aware that Canada is the most effective...and then Anzwers...and Hotbot takes longer than the others...Is submitting to Hotbot a waste of time or is it reccommended?

* The engines that I manually submit to are:
Altavista, Fast, Northern Light, Google, Infoseek, Excite, Lycos, Canada, Anzwers, and Direct Hit. Am I missing any important ones?

Any suggestions or guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!
2M

[Videoman]

Could someone explain to a simple Brit the what,how and why of SE cookies. I must have gone for a Burger during that lesson.

[adamcmoran]

Like wise I am interested in the SE cookie info

[knoxy]

I too would like more info on cookies!/or should it be biscuits to us brits :) :)
thanks

[lizzie]

cookies, anyone?
Now you've got us in suspense--what is this
new horror?

[oLeon]

oopps -

Edited by: oLeon

[oLeon]

** Never submit:
- the same page more than once every 8 days to the same engine.
- more than 10 urls to the same engine under the same ip address.
- more than 15 urls from the same domain to the same engine in a day.
- more than 50 urls from the same domain to the same engine in a week. **

Brett, does it also mean: subdomain?
If the subdomain is under the same IP as the domain, okay, that would be no good idea to submit more than 10 a day, but if I have different IPs and different subdomains -that means: 50 subdomains on ten IPs- do they well by submitting more than 10 a day?

We try to submit 1500 unique product-pages, and we use a server-redirect to throw browsers directly on the productpage inside a online-shop. We have got 50 subdomains and 10 IPs (one after the other). These IPs are different from the IP of the main-domain.

We want to submit 10 pages per subdomain to SEs per day. (We submit from one IP yet, but it would be changed in about two weeks.)
I am not sure if itīs a good idea to submit that many pages...

[2_much]

Some engines monitor search engine submission activity by placing a "cookie" on your system. This identifies you on each return visit.
What Brett was saying was to delete these cookies before submission so the engines can't track your behavior. Instead of disabling cookies, simply delete them before submitting. On netscape, go to the netscape directory on your PC and search for a file named "cookie.txt" . Open the file in a text editor like Note pad and delete the contents. With IE, you need special cookie software to detect old cookies.

Hope this is helpful.

2M

[lizzie]

I have IE. I go to START, then FIND, then type in "cookies".
This shows me the cookie folder. I delete all I don't recognize.

[NYM_fan]

I setup my web site about 4 months ago and a friend autosubmitted it then. A month or so ago, I check a number of the SEs and found that Altavista and Google were the only ones that had my site, plus a number of sites with links to me. The other SEs just pulled up links to me, not my site itself. A few weeks ago, I hand submitted my URL to the major SEs and I still do not see anything.

I assume from what I have seen and read that I need to continue to re-submit the site until I see it, following the guidelines given before? If I am missing something, I would appreciate some enlightenment. Thanks.

[eljefe3]

NYM_fan,

Welcome to the WMW Forums. Good luck to your team in game 3.

Do you have access to your referrer logs? If you do this is a great way to see if and when the various spiders from the search engines come and visit. Usually Alta Vista & Lycos will come by immediately and spider the submitted page.
As far as the other search engines go, it seems there really isn't a set pattern, though if you do have links from other indexed sites to yours then quite often they will follow a link and "discover" your site.

If you don't have access to your logs, I'd say you'd be playing fairly conservatively to submit 3-5 pages per day.