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3:44 pm on May 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi, I'm new! I just got my site on the WWW may 12th, and I have been getting listed on most the suggested sites listed here. My host signed me up for tons of listings. many of them FFA's, I did not reply to any of them for confirmation. Is this still going to hurt my site?
3:46 pm on May 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It will mostly hurt your inbox. :)

I am not sure if it will hurt your site or just be ignored. Expect no traffic from them.

8:29 pm on May 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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FFAs are the carnies of the search engine world.

An FFA will keep your link on for a bit and then drop it when it gets "pushed" off the page by other links causing fluxuations in your PageRank and lots of confusion in your brain. Sometimes your links won't last until the update(s).

Some FFA engines are being PR zeroed and others have been dropped altogether because they exist for the sole purpose of fooling the engines into thinking that you're popular when you aren't.

Absolutely zero traffic will come off of them (besides the spider that will vist you twenty thousand times a month) and you will receive more spam e-mail than AOL disks in metal tins.


I have heard of some SEO "experts" strategically submitting to make the updates - but then you have to think of how lousy a long-term plan this is since your rank is only as good as the time you put into submitting them again and again to these worthless engines.

Take time instead to gather quality content, post messages on newsgroups (for your own sake - make sure that they don't read like ads), setup a two-step newsletter subscription link or a Members Area (or both) so that you can create a user-base to e-mail with every update of your site, and of course, submit to all of the other engines that aren't FFAs.

There are plenty of second tier search engines like WISENUT and EUROSEEK that will index you - and those are permanent (for the most part) inbound links in categories related to your site. Some of these guys will even throw you into more than one category if you ask nicely. You can probably find a good 50 legit engines... that's a great start as far as inbound links are concerned.

Remember, don't try to fool anyone when it comes to PageRank or doorways - because when the majors change their ranking algorithms again and start universally blacklisting "booster" sites - it may be yourself (or even worse, your client) that you've fooled.


BTW: Just visited your site - wowie zowie you've got your work cut out for you. Is your ROI worth all the fuss (considering the time and money it takes to maintain a site that's been "cookie cut" into infamy)? You're dealing with an industry that is probably second to only the adult industry when it comes to cutthroat tomfoolery.

If you can make it work for you, then more power to you, but definitely do some market research before you jump head first into positioning a site that exist in an already flooded market.

Good luck!


12:48 pm on May 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hyper geek,

thank you for taking a look at my site. i appreciate your honesty. in defense, i am a newbie. we all have to start somewhere. i have come a long way concidering 3 months ago i didn't know what copy and paste meant. what is a market that is not so saturated? and do you think i have no chance of success for casinos(in the future)? thank you. kathryn

5:04 pm on May 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We all have to start somewhere, and I've learned a lot of what I know through making more mistakes than I'd like to admit. :)

"What is a market that is not so saturated?"

There are *many* markets that aren't saturated - you just have to find one that suits your expertise.

- Start small and don't expect to pull in 100k a year. Build a foundation on which you can later expand on.

- Take on an industry that you know a lot about. The more you know about it, the more ORIGINAL content you can create for your site.

- Research, analyze, brainstorm, invent... and when you're done. Do it some more. Search for the top keyword terms for you idea and see how many results are found on the top engines. This will give you an idea of how much competition you will be going up against.

- Presentation is a huge factor in "raising" a successful site. Learn some design techniques, read articles on effective branding techniques.

"...and do you think i have no chance of success for casinos (in the future)?"

I think that ANYONE can succeeed in ANY market if they take an innovative and consumer-oriented approach.

Educate yourself *completely* about the market you are thinking of entering - and when you think you know everything there is to know about it, remind yourself that you still don't, and perpetually seek out more information.

When the planning's over, and the site development is complete, then focus on content, content, content so that users have something to return to your site for.

Keep it consistent, keep it fresh, and keep it simple.


5:28 pm on May 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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once again i thank you kindly. i agree with everything you have said and will work hard. as a matter of fact content is about my only focus for a while now.


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