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> do you link to their domain, or to their page which shows the link to your page
I generally link to their domain as a default, but you may want to ask where they would *like* the link to lead.
As far as which pages you submit in which order, I don't think it makes a huge difference.... but someone else may say otherwise.
-You link to others INDEX page not their page which linked to you.
-You are on questionable moral-ethical grounds not to ask permission to submit THEIR pages, but is is a significant advantage if you do
-You submit ALL your pages to the SE, especially my page devoted to reciprical Links
-You don't use software such as WPGold because SE are offended by (their) automated submissions
-Software like DumpTruck doesn't offend them if operated according to criteria like the ones listed here
-Services like SelfPromotion.com do indeed work for the small time operator
-Some say you can safely submit to each engine about once every 8 days
but don't submit more that 10-15 urls from the same IP or domain
-Others claim that SE's have traps which simply filter out excessive submissions with no harm done to the submitter
-It may take months for an engine to get to your site and list it
-You submit to Yahoo first (and other Directories?), in order to gain your listing with them as a virtual link
-no one really knows what the hell is going on with search engines, but some are less informed than others (like myself) and others know a lot of stuff, (perhaps like yourself)
-I'd been better off sticking to the trucking biz I oerated before I get my ass involved in this sorry mess!
-just kidding, don't be offended!
Regards,
Rollo
I'd say once amonth, unles you make a MAJOR change to the page in question... and limit it to 5 URLs a day to be on the safe side.
> -Others claim that SE's have traps which simply filter out excessive submissions with no harm done to the submitter
Some SEs do filter multiple submissions with no penalty, but as often as SEs change their rules, their website might say there's no penalty, when they actually added a penalty yesterday...
I'd stick to the "5 URLs per day/Each URL once per month" rule just to be safe.
Other than that... (which is open to debate), you seem to be "catching up" quite quickly! :)
It has to do with time lags between submission and their actually proceesing of them.
Could anyone give me a rough estimate about how long a delay is involved. This would give us the opportunity to time my submissions and do it all by hand the first time. For instance, I know that:
Yahoo promises 7 days for business sites,
but I don't know what the rest are likely to do-
Thanks for your help!
Rollo
Alta Vista-
AOL Search-
AltaVista-
Ask Jeeves-
Direct Hit-
Excite-
FAST Search-
Go/Infoseek-
Google-
HotBot-
Won-
Inktomi-
LookSmart-
Lycos-
MSN Search-
NBCi-
Netscape Search-
Northern Light-
Open Directory-
Raging Search-
RealNames-
WebTop-
WebCrawler-
Couldn't give you an estimate by search engine though... they seems to all be very inconsistent with their update schedules.
>>>-You are on questionable moral-ethical grounds not to ask permission to submit THEIR pages, but are a significant advantage if you do
I do submit link pages to Google but only when they’ve updated with my information. To really be ethical you could include a link to the page you are listed on in addition to the one they want you to link to.
>>>--You submit ALL your pages to the SE, especially my page devoted to reciprocal Links
I do this, although Alta Vista appears not to like ‘strictly’ link pages submitted to them. On the whole if a link page is not just a list of links but rather a sentence for each link with descriptive theme related content surrounding the link then even the toughest of engines appear to like it.
>>>--You don't use software such as WPGold because SE are offended by (their) automated submissions
Can respond on this issue as I am a strong believer of hand submitting each site to each each engine, directory, link partner and portal/vortal/hub available.
>>>--Some say you can safely submit to each engine about once every 8 days but don't submit more that 10-15 urls from the same IP or domain
There is no conclusive pattern that works across the board. I suggest getting to know the place you are submitting to before you submit. Find out from them and the forums what works. Treat each as the individual it is.
>>>--It may take months for an engine to get to your site and list it
How true. Some many of the search portals use information that comes from different places. Each of those data collectors gathers their information as they will and update which then filters into the portals. This can take a lot of time. I always give myself 6-9 weeks to see major traffic changes from a submission.
>>>-You submit to Yahoo first (and other Directories?), in order to gain your listing with them as a virtual link
Very good. Don’t forget ODP [Open Directory Project, dmoz.org], and Looksmart as the biggies.
>>>-no one really knows what the hell is going on with search engines, but some are less informed than others (like myself) and others know a lot of stuff, (perhaps like yourself)
Ha. The best advice: read forums, ask questions, research, track results, get a great log analyzer program and follow it religiously, and drink lots of coffee. Take every opportunity to open your mind and allow yourself to expand beyond what you think is only remotely possible at this moment.
>>>-I'd been better off sticking to the trucking biz I operated before I get my ass involved in this sorry mess!
-just kidding, don't be offended!
There you go. Start with what you know and expand from it. I was a holistic garden designer, sold health foods, and assisted a natural physician in my past lives before Internet marketing. Now I just apply those whole philosophies to what I’m doing now and find it really works. Start with a healthy, strong foundation [in this case a great idea or product, solid content, balanced pages/sites that are whole in theme, connected to and from similar sites, and spread around in places where they will be found].
I think you’ve got it.
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