Good methods to avoid to get caught

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[specter]

Hi everyone,

I'm wondering if there is any "trick" to avoid to build pages that could be easily detected from SEs.

Any suggestion/idea?

Bye

[volatilegx]

Make sure your optimized version does not appear in any cache.

[specter]

That's all?

[MrSpeed]

There are some good threads on the subject right on the first page or in the library
[webmasterworld.com...]
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Some highlights:
-- Use IP based cloaking with a well maintained IP list or build your own spider trap.
--Keep the file size of your cloaked pages the same as your normal pages
--Don't cloak domains or sites that you care about.

Cloaking is a risk based decision. If you can accept the risk then you can push the limits more. For example you may choose to add 2-3 more paragraphs of keyword stuffed text to your cloaked pages. However this will increase your file size of the cloaked page and may be a tip off to a competitor.

In the past I have also seen cloaked sites all owned by the same person rule the top of the serps for competitive niches. It wasn't very long before these sites were reported and banned.

Don't get too greedy and dominate the top ten spots with an army of your sites, unless you have more troops in the waiting.

[specter]

Thanks for your reply Mrspeed.

I just would avoid to be banned in a small amount of time.
I'm persuaded that properly setting the templates and the codes in it it could be possible to deceive SE's robots.
Isn't it?

[MrSpeed]

Robots yes. Human inspection is a bit tougher.

[specter]

This is a good point to discuss:

Could it be possible ,working carefully,to deceive also human eye?

[MrSpeed]

It all depends how clever the human is.

If you are getting inspected form someone at Google they probably have the means to browse your site with the IP and UA of Googlebot. At this point it's very easy to detect that you are cloaking.

The bottom line is expect to get caught and have a back up plan. Even if your back up plan is to do nothing since it was just beer money anyways.

[specter]

Hi MrSpeed,

You're correct of course.
I was referred to the common "visitors",as I assume that a Google team member doesn't wake up a morning deciding to inspect just your site among millions...

If this happens,it means that someone has reported your cloaking case to them.So this is the key:
Making the cloaked site unrecognizable to the common visitor eye,that can browse your site only with conventional means, there are many good possibilities to avoid to get caught.
But the question is:Is it really possible to achieve this result,or there will be always distinctive features that cannot be hidden and that allows to a clever visitor,even with conventinal means, to discover the "truth"?

[volatilegx]

specter,

There is a feature many cloaked pages have, but a lot of non-cloaked pages have it, too. That is the NOARCHIVE meta tag. The optimized version of the page will contain this tag to keep the page from being seen in Google's (or another search engine's) cache.

A lot of other pages have this tag, too, so it isn't a dead giveaway.

HOWEVER, many people forget to place the NOARCHIVE meta tag on the page they show human visitors as well. If this tag is missing from the human version of a cloaked page, it could be an indication that the page is cloaked, if said page is not cached.

[specter]

Thanks for your reply Volatilegx,

HOWEVER, many people forget to place the NOARCHIVE meta tag on the page they show human visitors as well. If this tag is missing from the human version of a cloaked page, it could be an indication that the page is cloaked, if said page is not cached.

Excuse me but this is not completely clear for me:

If NOARCHIVE tag is missing,pages will be cached,so I'm a bit confused:
Maybe do you mean that they use NOARCHIVE tag ALSO for "human" page,isn't it?

[Ocean10000]

specter to clearify what was trying to be said

1. The clocked page will have the "NOARCHIVE" meta tag set. And not have a cached copy in the serps
2. The human version of the page will not have the meta tag.

So if a person was really serving up the human readble page to the serps it should have a cached copy. But when it doesn't it might be a clue to that they are using cloaking to hide the page they are sending to the serps.

[volatilegx]

Ocean has it right.

To keep safe, use the NOARCHIVE meta tag on the page meant for humans, too.

[specter]

Quoting myself:

Maybe do you mean that they use NOARCHIVE tag ALSO for "human" page,isn't it?

So,I well understood.OK.

Thanks for your replies guys

Sincerely

[coolbubba]

Is a page cloaked? Turn off javascript in your browswer, and view the cached page from the search engine results. Or right click on the "cached" link next to the page and save the link as. Then view code.

[Windaria]

The problem is that it isn't the common visitor that you have to hide your cloaking from.

If you are trying to place for a search term that someone else is trying to place then there is a good chance that they will investigate you after a while. If they notice what you are doing then they will report you, simple as that.

[coolbubba]

This is very true. That's why I don't cloak my core domain. I create many other domains for rankings, redirect humans to the core, and keep a fresh, rolling supply of the other domains.

[Dijkgraaf]

Best trick for not getting caught cloaking by SE's is
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Don't do it ;-)