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Does Cloaking work?

Is it worth the effort?

     
5:48 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have been doing quite a bit of research lately into the subject of IP based cloaking/delivery. I understand the basics of how most effectively to set it up using the most up to date IP lists available and using a shadow domain and redirecting to your core domain, etc..

My question is this: Does it pay off?

One of the big players in this field, who shall remain nameless, offers a fairly expensive set of programs which will generate optimized phantom pages with "relevant content" based on your keywords that will be fed to the SEs and then redirect those pages to another domain.

One of my major reservations about using these techniques has nothing to do with ethics or risk, etc. But with the way that Google and other SEs are ostensibly ranking pages these days, I.E. link popularity, anchor text and other off-page factors. Many SEOs claim that on-page factors don't have that much weight in the algorithms of the SEs. So assuming that I got a bunch of these pages indexed, would they rank well for terms that are competitive at all? Obviously if I wanted to be #1 for “royal blue electric baby bumpers” that would be easy.

I would be very interested to hear from some of you that are actually doing this and see what your experiences are.

Thanx.

5:12 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Can they be on the same IP?

They can, but they shouldn't. They should be on different Class C subnets, and preferrably on different hosts (or use different name servers).

9:36 pm on Jan 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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(or use different name servers)

This is something I wander for a long time, not exactly related to cloaking.
Does G looks at the domain's IP adress or nameservers' IP's play primary role in their algo's?

10:01 pm on Jan 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I believe they play a very minor role, mostly in identifying spammers.
10:10 pm on Jan 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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OK, but you said: "They should be on different Class C subnets, and preferrably on different hosts (or use different name servers)."

I can use different nameservers but still point to the same subnet/host, that's why I asked which IP is more important here: NS or A?

4:38 am on Jan 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

This is from someone that is just getting into cloaking, but I would say IP Addresses are way more important to vary than the nameserver.

I take it with a new ip/host comes a new class c subnet?

C.K.

11:05 am on Jan 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is from someone that is just getting into cloaking, but I would say IP Addresses are way more important to vary than the nameserver.

That's logical. However technically, it is much easier to track/compare nameservers than domain's IP address(es).

I take it with a new ip/host comes a new class c subnet?

Class C subnet has 256 addresses (in reality 254) ranging from #.#.#.0 - #.#.#.255

E.g. 217.122.72.59 and 217.122.72.218 are on the same "C" subnet while 217.122.73.59 belongs to a different one.

2:02 pm on Jan 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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which IP is more important here: NS or A?

They are probably of equal importance. Actually I think they are both easy to look up. Nameservers require a whois lookup while an IP address simply requires a reverse DNS lookup.

The point is that locating your cloaked pages on another host will accomplish both.

3:50 pm on Jan 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

Thanks for the explanation on Ip Addresses.

I thought Ip's would be better to vary because I thought they would be very exact. One Ip Address for a website. It pinpoints the website exactly, but a lot of people use the same nameserver...

Thoughts?

C.K.

5:55 pm on Jan 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One Ip Address for a website

One domain can use more IP addresses or one dynamic address, which makes stuff not so easy.

9:21 pm on Jan 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Also, of course you can have more than one domain/website on an IP address.
6:24 am on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We are working on a highly optimized site and need some more advice on which redirect is best to use.

Our site has not been listed yet, but we are planning to add a link to it from one of our sites that is ranked well.

Should we wait until the site is listed or can we get spiders to read through the site if it is already redirected?

Also should we use a 301 or 401 redirect? Are these different from a server side redirect?

I apologize for this very basic question, but we have been reading a lot around numerous forums and there seems to be little consensus.

5:54 am on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Let's stay on topic in this thread. Ahurley, you might want to post your question in the Search Engine Promotion [webmasterworld.com] forum.
4:13 am on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

If you do cloak, is there a way that the SE can detect this by just crawling your site? I have been playing around with a cgi based script and was wondering this.

Thanks.

2:01 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi GVelvet, Welcome to WebmasterWorld :)

If they spider from an unknown IP address and get the human version of your page and compare it against the version meant for spiders, you could be caught.

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