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Is there a way to see cloaked source code?

or do you have to be google-bot?

         

skippy

4:38 pm on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have been searching for this and can not find it. Is there any way to see the source code of a cloaked website using ip cloaking?

DaveAtIFG

6:04 pm on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Not unless you can hack into the site or spoof your own IP so you appear to be Googlebot. Both of those approaches are discouraged! :) They are both very difficult and probably illegal as well.

skippy

7:22 pm on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok thanks I thought that might be the answer.

volatilegx

12:07 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>spoof your own IP

It's easy to spoof your IP in a HTTP header, but you will never be able to establish an HTTP connection that way. To spoof an IP, you'd have to hack into a computer that relays the packets between the host site and you, and reroute the packets destined for the spoofed IP to you. As said above, it's illegal (unless of course you own that computer or have permission).

All that being said, if the cloaked site has been cached by Google, you could check the cache. Also, you might want to try other cacheing search engines like Gigablast.

There are a couple of other top-secret methods of getting the cloaked optimized HTML (that sometimes work), but I don't want to give all my secrets away =)

skippy

2:05 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Gigabast did not work but thank for the info. But I think I stumbled upon one of your secrets. Don’t worry I won’t say a word. The reason I am interested in this is a site is using my domain name and I wanted to see what they were up to. Nothing nefarious I think.

seomike2003

10:44 pm on Feb 11, 2004 (gmt 0)



>>>There are a couple of other top-secret methods of getting the cloaked optimized HTML (that sometimes work), but I don't want to give all my secrets away =)

Yeah hack the server and grab the code =)

Net_Wizard

6:19 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



As long as a SE provides access to their cache...

it's very easy to decloak a site, no need to hack any server.

seomike2003

9:59 pm on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)



you can get around the cache eaily with a googlebot noarchive tag in the head.

Trust me I've seen cloaks on google doing very well and 99% of users don't even know the difference.

I've seen them so good that many SEO's would miss them or just write them off as doing some sort of stat tracking

Voyteck

11:01 pm on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello

Is there any software to fake just user-agent in case someone cloaks only on the basis of user-agent.

I have found very interesting example in the SEO area, and I would be very greateful if someone could verify if the site is cloaking. Please send me a sticky mail so I will send back the search-phrase and their url. They currently run #1 in the local G.

Thank you in advance for help

Voyteck

Net_Wizard

5:28 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)



noarchive tag

True but the noarchive tag is 'almost' a sign of cloaking and SEs have varying rules against the noarchive tag. We all knew that the noarchve is always open to abuse and SEs knew this as well.

There are good cloaking technique that 'allows' archiving but very hard to detect by average users.

But, it's only a programming and there's always a counter solution as long as the SE have the cache copy of the page.

Voyteck, if there's a cache at G then sticky me and I'll take a look at it.

Liane

1:58 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you look for the cache and Google and Yahoo both return an "error page not found" message ... is the site cloaking?

volatilegx

9:11 pm on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you look for the cache and Google and Yahoo both return an "error page not found" message ... is the site cloaking?

No.

rominosj

9:23 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This tool can show you what search engines see. It simulates google spider, alta vista and others: [seotoolkit.co.uk...]

Romino

nalin

8:59 pm on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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you can use:
wget -U {user-agent-string} {url}
to simulate a user agent - this will not give you an IP similar to those that google uses but will tell apache that you are the robot implied by {user-agent-string} - generally this has given me the desired result.

Note that wget is a unix program, to use it you can get a knoppix disk or cygwin or (probably?) find a windows native version somewhere

volatilegx

2:35 pm on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd bet that generally, most cloakers who are sophisticated enough to use the NOARCHIVE meta tag are also sophisticated enough to use IP address recognition to detect search engines.

While spoofing a user agent is easy, it is very difficult, if not illegal, to successfully spoof an IP address.

mipapage

9:08 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Firefox has a useragent switching widget. Install Firefox and check out the extensions page. You can set your user-agent to whatever you wish.

Voyteck

10:10 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone have seen a tool that allows to do both: spoof the IP and change the user agent?

Is Google giving you a ban or penalty while cloaking and adding some more links for google-bot than normal users?

Bluepixel

10:25 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How do you want to spoof your ip address, if everything is send back to that ip address? Tell me :)

olwen

11:46 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I tried changing the user agent and going to a site I'm sure is cloaking. Got myself banned for impersonating the Googlebot. I'm more certain than ever that it's cloaking.

nalin

1:41 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just to bring this to your attention:

Banning is not necessarily indicative of cloaking - a lot of servers are set up so that robots which do not read / follow robots.txt are automatically banned. With a home brew googlebot one could inadvertently fall into this category.

Though you cant spoof your IP address, you can relay through an open proxy with an IP better suited for the task. As finding (and using) said proxy is generally not a permission based thing and rather inappropriate here, I will not elaborate.

olwen

6:55 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The message I got when I got banned by this site (fetched one page with user agent set to a string I picked up from my logs for googlebot) was approximately:
"Impersonating Googlebot, that's not nice. Take a ban", and all pages are now 403 if I go there with my browser.

I think there's little doubt they are cloaking. They are competing in a contest and have swamped sites that had previously been doing well with some underhanded techniques. What shows in Google's cache is not what shows when you visit their site.

iblaine

5:58 pm on May 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Get SamSpade, [samspade.org...]

It's probably one the most powerful tools out there for investigation, plus it's free.