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Properly cloaked dorway example

         

cger99

11:12 pm on Aug 17, 2000 (gmt 0)



What would be a good example of properly cloaked page that excite and altavista would like.
The structure of it, like maximum amount of keywords and description. At what point would it be considered as spam?. Too many words that repeat?, description that doesn't make sense.
I saw some cloaked pages with thousands of keywords and they ranked in the first 10. Does it make any sense?

Air

4:09 am on Aug 18, 2000 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Welcome to the WW forums cger99,

In general there is no difference in what a properly optimized page will look like whether cloaked or not, the difference is that what engines like is not what people like.

Cloaked spam is the same as uncloaked spam, the difference is it may take a little longer to get nailed.

A good cloaked page is one that facilitates indexing by the search engines while preserving the design elements that are pleasing to your visitors and/or subject matter.

I can't say what the exact structure should be for AV or Excite or any engine for that matter, that's what everyone would like to know. :) Stick around, most of that information is here or gets trickled out on a daily basis.

Of course, there are folks out there that use cloaking as a means of spamming with a false sense of security, perhaps they forget that they are feeding the spider in exactly the same manner as if they had not cloaked that page. The spider does not get fooled into saying "ooh, what a pretty site, and so relevant too!" it just sees the page you feed it, and if it violates the spam traps built into the algo then the flags go up.

Some engines tolerate spam to a greater degree than others, in fact what is considered spam on one may be a viable technique on another. Some are just slower at removing it or catching it than others, or have not updated recently, as a result some will take the risk of getting the hits while they can.

Cross-references:
Cloaking and getting banned [webmasterworld.com]
Search engine conference -cloaking question [webmasterworld.com]
Achieving link popularity and a site theme with cloaking [webmasterworld.com]

cger99

5:13 am on Aug 18, 2000 (gmt 0)



Thanks a lot for your reply Air :-)
I totally understand, I don't have an intention to try to spam with cloaked pages or anything like that. And at the same time I don't want to create a page that might be consider as a spam by putting irrelevant information or just copying and pasting the same thing over and over again or just by having too much information on a page. I spent a lot of time creating the pages that have a great content and proper keywords and description what the web site offers. And if it generates position in top 10, than hey...I don't want anyone to steal the content in which I put so much work.
The main thing I wonder about is how the page with just keywoards and phrases would rank against the pages with nice description and keywoards combined, all just body copy text with no tables or images.
Maybe someone who was succesful will share that information??
I ordered the icsave script and intend to put it into good use.
thanks.