Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.146.59.202

Forum Moderators: buckworks

Message Too Old, No Replies

Credit Card fraud from Ghana/Nigeria

Beware of credit card fraud in Nigeria!

     
4:22 pm on Apr 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I'm a hubcap business located in central Indiana. I've been a credit card merchant now for over 5 years. Recently, I've just received and shipped a large order of wheel covers to Lagos Nigeria. The buyer - claimed to own an auto parts store - used two credit cards & requested that charges be equally split between the two. Both cards authorized and processed. The first order was almost $1050 including the freight. That was 5 sets of 2002-03 Toyota Corolla wheel covers - all of which I had on hand. They wanted 10 sets of each style (a total of 30 sets), but I didn't have that many so I shipped the 5 sets that I had. Then they place an order for 10 sets of 2001-02 Honda Accord wheel covers. I charged the two cards (which authorized again) a little over $1000 for the first 6 sets before shipping. That gave me time to get them prepped, reconditioned and ready to go and to be sure everything was ok. Then the day before the first 6 sets were scheduled to ship I get a call from a lady that works at a Baptist Church in Texas requesting information on the individual that made the charge to their credit card! Fortunately I was able to cancel the second order that was charged and return the charge to the church, but obviously the first order had shipped 2 weeks before so I couldn't just return the charge on that order. I'm very thankful that the lady at the church was very nice & understanding about the whole ordeal. We worked together on it (and still are) and I'm hoping - and so is she - that I don't have to bite the bullet. Of course the cardholder can always dispute any charge and not have to pay, but how about the merchant? What happens if her credit card company reverses the charges on me and I lose payment on the first order and all the cost of freight? What recourse do small businesses like myself have against this type of thing? Anyone out there know? Any assistance would be very much appreciated!

-- Ron

[edited by: lorax at 9:47 pm (utc) on April 27, 2005]
[edit reason] No URLs please [/edit]

9:11 pm on Jun 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



>>>Nigerians should not be blamed

Absolutely, I do not blame an entire population for what a few do.

However, I would never, ever accept an order from that area of Africa. Just too risky. You have to understand that I am running a business to make money, not lose money. I have to feed my family, just like everybody here, we are not running a charity to help the fraudsters in Nigeria.

They have ruined it for you and I feel sorry for the honest souls in Nigeria. But it is not my problem to figure out who in Nigeria is honest.

Good luck to you.

11:13 pm on Jun 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



>>my advice to everyone is to be alert but not to take
>>a Nigerian as a fraudster.

i don't take Nigerians as fraudsters, only Nigerians placing credit card orders ............

12:02 am on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I co-run an ecommerce site, our basic principle is Africa = bin. While we've had genuine orders from Africa, fraud rate runs in the ball park of 80%, and the cost of those 80% *FAR* out weighs the profit from the 20%. So, we just don't bother any more.

Sorry about your loss :(

6:10 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



We are presently having fun doing a reverse sting, very entertaining when it is slow.
7:46 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Tell me about your reverse sting. I occasionally play with them too. Relay calls can be a lot of fun. The operators love it. They don't mind wasting time with me rather than helping some mugaman con an honest business.

If everyone answered every 419 scam letter, it would put them out of business. They send out a million scam emails; let them weed thru a million answers LOL

8:02 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



"If everyone answered every 419 scam letter, it would put them out of business. They send out a million scam emails; let them weed thru a million answers LOL "

You may be on to something there... There's a lot more of us than them. If we all reply, it becomes the job of the fraudsters to determine which replies to their fraudulent emails are... fraudulent.

The webmasterworld forum members alone could put a good portion of them out of business.

Of course, most of us won't take the time. DARN.

8:27 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



One thing that has always puzzled me about "Nigerian" scams is why they are rarely copied elsewhere. The world is full of sleazeballs. I have little doubt the Nigerian gov't may be involved. And I suspect the scams may not be so profitable to attract upscale western crooks.

You don't see emails from the U.S. that begin "Hi, I'm Junior Corleone son of the late Vito Corleone who died in Newark leaving $56 million..."

Key question: why Nigeria (plus sometimes Ghana, Togo, Ivory Coast and environs), but almost never Bolivia, Bangladesh or Guatemala?

8:35 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



"If everyone answered every 419 scam letter, it would put them out of business. They send out a million scam emails; let them weed thru a million answers LOL "

You may be on to something there... There's a lot more of us than them. If we all reply, it becomes the job of the fraudsters to determine which replies to their fraudulent emails are... fraudulent.

The webmasterworld forum members alone could put a good portion of them out of business.

Of course, most of us won't take the time. DARN.

8:56 pm on Jun 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



>>>reverse sting

Trying to get a picture and an "export fee". Unfortunately, our government does not except "export fees" with stolen credit cards.... oooops... did I say stolen credit cards.

We are asking for cash by Western Union or courier. This reverse has taken about 30 emails so far. The whole building is in on it. Lots of laughs.

11:37 pm on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Key question: why Nigeria (plus sometimes Ghana, Togo, Ivory Coast and environs), but almost never Bolivia, Bangladesh or Guatemala?

Cultural and economic reasons, I'd guess. As a fairly large former British colony with a decent education system, some money and a middle class, and recent economic and political problems, Nigeria has a large group of English-speaking young men and women with the skills and the computer access to DO the Nigerian scam. And it's the kind of thing that spreads locally. One person succeeds, others learn. Latin American countries--not enough English spoken, and there are other outlets for the criminally-inclined. Bangladesh--too poor.

Those are rough guesses and a sociologist/historian familiar with each country would need to be consulted to flesh them out, but I think the reasons are along those lines....

1:02 am on Jun 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



>>Key question: why Nigeria

nigeria has long been the most corrupt country in the world. the whole society is corrupt from the top down.

apparently they export a lot of oil and should be a wealthy nation, but the people never see the money ...........

4:18 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Yes, but there are lots of countries with a reputation of being corrupt where the Nigerian scam just doesn't exist. That's not a sufficient explanation. That's why I suggested looking at some specific cultural and economic characteristics.
9:56 am on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



NIgeria is not the most corrupt country in the whole world. Some people are actually taking this personal.
Infact the main people who are corrupt in Nigeria are the politicians and the police force and corruption as everyone knows spreads and that is why most people in the country are either corrupt or are victims to corruption.....so Nigerians should not be blamed.
11:27 am on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I've been watching this thread for some time and have to chime in.

Nigeria IS the most corrupt country in the world - Romania is a close second. I run a network of classified ad sites and 99.99% of the 419 check overpayment scammers are from Nigeria.

I block the entire country now - last month I blocked 20k+ unique IP addresses that used search terms such as "classified ad for used x with email address" or "used x with *hotmail" or "used x with *yahoo.com "

They were looking for ads that included email addresses so they can bypass my messaging system and not get spotted.

Occasionally they find an anon proxy server that allows them to get through but we usually spot them pretty quickly and block the hosts (the inquires are all basically the same).

And more often now they find a new satellite provider that's not on my ban list and run rampant through the database until we detect them and shut them down.

But the attempts to access the site are getting more sophisticated. We've started to see some coming from AOL which is a serious problem for us (17% of our traffic is AOL U.S.) - we suspect that they are either dialing in to AOL via long distanced or are using VOIP to place local calls.

There's also a new twist on their scams. They will act like they are going to purchase something from a vendor and will request to pay via a wire transfer. Once they have the vendor's bank account information they disappear. Then they print up bogus checks using the firm's BIN, account number, address and phone number and start looking for an individual selling a car/boat/furniture/electronics, etc. From this point forward the scam is identical to the typical 419 check overpayment: the person cashes the check, wires the excess to either Nigeria, the UK, or a US based shipping agent and in some cases they ship the item all the while thinking they just had a "deal too good to be true."

At some point the merchant notices that a counterfeit check has cleared and the victim is out their money their item(s) and probably a lot time explaining to local law enforcement what happened.

SO. . .

DO NOT GIVE YOUR BANK ACCOUNT INFORMATION TO ANYONE OUTSIDE YOUR COUNTRY.

If you are going to do an overseas deal make them send payments via Western Union.

Bottom line is keep Nigerians and Romanians off of your site and you will cut your fraud by 99.99%.

-

11:28 am on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member beedeedubbleu is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



NIgeria is not the most corrupt country in the whole world. Some people are actually taking this personal.

Sorry! I do take this personal, absolutely!

You say that the police and the government are corrupt. What are you trying to do, make a case for dealing with Nigerians. I don't know enough about this to know who is to blame but I do know that it has been going on for years and that the Nigerian government could have done more to stop it.

If they choose not to do so I reserve the right to choose not to do business with anyone in Nigeria. These people are trying to defraud me, personally, by sending me an scam email. The fact that perhaps a million others received the same email does not minimise the intent to defraud me, personally.

6:44 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



This just came across one of the fraud feeds I use:

Deming Headlight, a Gannett Co., Inc. newspaper
[demingheadlight.com...]

Excerpt:

"It's nationwide," Wycoff saidof the latest scam avenues, "but mostly in rural areas. They are all coming from Nigeria. They have schools. They are teaching people to do this."
1:26 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Easiest solution will be to block every order that comes from countries that end on -ia OR are from Africa.

Maybe you will loose a couple of thousand bucks a year by not accepting the real ones, but I am sure you will safe tens of thousands of dollars by just forwarding them to the waste basket.

There are tens of stories available about Nigerian scams on the forums. Just read them thoroughly and you will be more than convinced to ignore all request from those countries.

If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is...

4:27 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member




Easiest solution will be to block every order that comes from countries that end on -ia OR are from Africa.

South African orders are usually okay, although I agree that at present time, African orders are not worth the effort.

4:51 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I also get orders from time to time from Nigeria and a few other 3rd world kind of nations. You should never ship out tangible goods (or electronic orders) to Nigeria (plus many other African states), Malaysia & Indonesia (high % of frauds there), and many other places, including most of SE Asia with a few exceptions, i.e. Japan, Singapore & Hong Kong are good.

They are basically all fraud attempts using stolen credit card numbers. I delete them when they arrive and do not even consider processing them.

A tip is to look at the PayPal website and see which nations they block for a complete list of nations to avoid.

You have lost the money and nothing you can do.

6:14 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Nobody asked the question, why would somebody from Nigeria scam for hubcaps. Why not electronics, or something with a higher ticket value on the black market.

On another note. Many large US retailers do not ship to Canada, because they have agreements with their Canadian Divisions, not to sale in each others territory. Its more of a marketing and divisional control thing. It has nothing to do with credit card fraud. Canada's Credit card fraud is much lower than American Credit Card fraud.

Credit Card Fraud in the USA is 1% of sales.
Credit Card Fraud in Canada is 0.02% of all sales.
Credit Card Fraud in Mexico is 0.001% of all sales.

Guess which country needs to gets its act together on prosecuting credit card fraud.

6:25 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Nobody asked the question, why would somebody from Nigeria scam for hubcaps. Why not electronics, or something with a higher ticket value on the black market.

they'll buy anything they can get their hands on.
everything has a value and costs them nothing.
electronic goods may be high ticket, but may not be as useful to them as they would be to us - think poor electricity distribution, few phone lines, the majority don't have the money to buy high ticket items (even stolen goods) or the ability / skills / knowledge to use them etc
but a new set of hubcaps on a merc will look really good, my esteemed friend .......
6:39 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



why would somebody from Nigeria scam for hubcaps

Are you serious in wondering why? To put it bluntly many people in Nigeria are crooks and dishonest who will scam for anything of value, low ticket or high tickets, but low ticket items are easier to scam for.

P.S. I am sure there are missing hubcaps from many cars in Nigeria. They could also be resold in other nations or on eBay.

7:39 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Credit Card Fraud in the USA is 1% of sales.
Credit Card Fraud in Canada is 0.02% of all sales.
Credit Card Fraud in Mexico is 0.001% of all sales.

Just saw a figure of .3% fraud rate for VISA in the USA. which they say is a record low for them since they started keeping records 30 years ago.

Businesses look at total profitability, not fraud rares. You betcha the CC business is highly profitable in the United States.

Credit Card Fraud in Mexico is 0.001% of all sales

Not even worth commenting on

7:49 pm on Jun 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



CC ownership rate in USA is 4.25 per capita vs .07 per capita in Mexico

Mexico also has the death penalty for some types of fraud!

11:21 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I give up....
I never knew so many people are really that much against Nigerians so I guess the general idea is to let'em rot isn't that it?
Another thing I want to comment on the is preposterous claim that Nigeria teach citizens on how to be crooks.
That IS NOT TRUE.
I guess so many people are really pissed off but you never make things better by making things up.
12:03 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I don't think that people have anything against Nigerians. If a Nigerian person wants to buy a widget for 29.95 and just checked out, I don't even think I would have a problem with that if anything else matches.

The problem is that most scams come from Nigeria, ordering high ticket items etc. This is the group of people that WE (online merchants) generally do not like, so I don't think you should take this personal or generalise this by saying we don't like Nigerians at all. If this scam was done by Americans on such a big scale, we probably ended up blocking all orders from the U.S.

Then again, if this happened in the U.S., we would be certain that the government would do anything to avoid such scams in the future and we don't have that kind of confidence in the Nigerian government.

The problem here is that there are scammers out there from Nigeria on a big scale. It's THEIR fault most merchants no longer accept orders from Nigeria, not ours.

8:16 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I never knew so many people are really that much against Nigerians so I guess the general idea is to let'em rot isn't that it?
Another thing I want to comment on the is preposterous claim that Nigeria teach citizens on how to be crooks.
That IS NOT TRUE.

PLEASE. I HELP YOU RESTORE FAITH IN THE NIGERIAN PEOPLE. I AM JESUS CHRIST, LONG LOST TWIN BROTHER OF QUEEN ELISABETH OF ENGLAND. I WAS RECENTLY KILLED IN PLANE CRASH CAR CRASH SHOT DEAD BY REBELS. WITH THE HELP OF GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS I HAVE THE SUM OF FIFTY (50) MILLION DOLLAR IN CHOCOLATE COINS. I WISH TO HELP RESTORE FAITH IN ESTEEMED NIGERIAN FRAUDSTERS

WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU IS TO PROVIDE A SAFE ACCOUNT COMPANY OR PERSONAL INTO WHICH THE FUNDS WILL BE TRANSFERRED SINCE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE NOT
ALLOWED BY OUR LAWS TO OPERATE FOREIGN ACCOUNTS. IT HAS BEEN AGREED THAT THE OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH 20% OF THE REMITTED FUNDS. WE KEEP 70% WHILE 10% WILL BE SET ASIDE TO OFFSET EXPENSES AND PAY THE NECESSARY TAXES.
IF THIS PROPOSAL SATISFIES YOU, PLEASE SEND TO ME YOUR FAX AND PHONE AND YOUR BANK NUMBER AND COPY OF YOUR PASSPORT. PLEASE SNED ME $100000 DOLLAR SO I CAN OPEN NEW BANK ACCOUNT IN YOUR NAME AND AND GIVE YOUR 20% ($9 MULLION DOLLARE) INTO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT TO HELP RESTORE FAITH IN ESTEEMED NIGERIAN CROOKS

ALL MODALITIES OF THE TRANACTION HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT AND ONCE STARTED WILL NOT TAKE MORE THAN 12-14 WORKING DAYS WITH THE ABSOLUTE SUPPORT OF ALL CONCERNED. THIS TRANSACTION IS 100% RISK FREE. PLEASE TREAT AS URGENT
AND VERY CONFIDENTIAL. GOD BE WITH YOU AS I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR REPLY.
YOURS FAITHFULLY,
JOHN SMITTH

8:57 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



>>>>let'em rot

No, not the way I feel at all. But we are not running charities here. Do you expect us to take a chance that the next order we receive from Nigeria will be legit? When we all have vast experiences with Nigerian scams.

I blame the Nigerian government (which ever General or Colonel runs the place today) for allowing this to get out of control.

9:20 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



A colleague of mine has just been put out of business after the Nigerian government failed to pay for a contract - if the government is so corrupt, it is unlikely they can exercise effective control over others who wish to commit fraud.

For my own experience, 100% of orders placed for delivery to Nigeria, or placed by Nigerians in this country (UK) are fraudulent so even if a someone presented a genuine Nigerian order, it would be automatically rejected with the rest as the cost of checking the other 10,000 that are outright fraud makes the exercise totally worthless - I live in a free country, run my own business, and it is my choice not to do business with Nigeria or anyone associated with it.

9:45 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member beedeedubbleu is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



Obiroyce, all I know is that all (yes, that is ALL) of the email and inquiries I have had from Nigeria has been scam and fraud attempts apart from one single instance that turned out to be from a time waster. Statistically that suggests to me that I should not deal with Nigerians. Do the math!

Many Nigerians (and others) happily try to defraud me out of my money and your government is not seen to do anything about it. Don't expect me to be tolerant in this situation. Do you want me to forward copies of the emails to you? Don't complain here. Complain to your government.

This 104 message thread spans 4 pages: 104
 

Featured Threads

Hot Threads This Week

Hot Threads This Month