Still NO revenue with 120000 visits

I would never had believed that before.

[zeus]

Its almost unbelieveble that a page with over 120.000 visits dossent get any cash, even if it is a place to get free bla bla, If I just could be a member of doubleclick, but that means I must have 1.000.000 visits a month and I dont want to wait to next month (joke), and advertising.com needs 250.000 visits before it was 50.000 a month. I just cant find any paid per impression networks and I hate pop ups so that is off, it still has to be a great place to visit not a money machine, thats not the point.

zeus

[Slade]

Is this a page, or a site?

Do you know how long people were on the pages?

Did a large percent of them Back out before the page fully loaded? (or as soon as they glanced over the page(ie about 3 secs)?

Just some tidbits to mull over...

[Mike_Mackin]

>even if it is a place to get free bla bla

we should talk in London

[musicales]

Have you tried Burst. I had a couple of sites they didn't want last year and I tried again a couple of months back and got accepted. With that number of visits they should let you in. This said, the main money with any agency is pop ups (half at least I should think) so not accepting them will be a blow to your wallet. I too waited for the great day to join DoubleClick and I did finally make it on one site, but was disappointed with the rewards - actually turned out less than Burst.

[zeus]

Slade they are usualy staing on the web site and they do visit more sites from different categories.

The page do load fully.

Mike_Mackin, well London sounds good, but I have just got a knee injury from football, pretty bad one, so Im sorry cant be there.

musicales, I have tried burst but was also turned down, at that time I had 95.000 visits. I think they have enogh from my categorie.

thanks

zeus

[Nick_W]

This may be a bit simplistic but maybe worth a shot?

Why not just put a text link to amazon on this page? Like "Somebody's birthday? Find stuff on Amazon!"

I bet alot of these people will buy something on amazon anyway within the following week so why not get them cookied from your site?

Nick

[zeus]

nah I dont think that would work, but thanks.

zeus

[buckworks]

Has Amazon started using cookies?

[zeus]

I dont think so, but I just dont think the commission is worth it and then no cookies.

zeus

[Nick_W]

24hrs I beleive...

You may earn a referral fee for any qualifying items placed in a customer's shopping cart during a 24-hour window. This window begins at the time a visitor clicks through your Associates link. However, the 24-hour window will close if the customer submits his/her order or reenters Amazon.com through another Associate's link. Once the window is closed, any additional purchases will not earn referral fees for your Associates account. If the customer returns to Amazon.com through your Associates link, this will generate a new 24-hour window.

Nick

[giveawayrooms]

Has Amazon always had 24 hour cookies?

For some reason, I was under the impression you only got a single browser session

[Go60Guy]

To my knowledge, they've always had it. The short cookie duration is one of the major drawbacks of the Amazon program. If they'd extend it to say, 45 days, and pay monthly, it would be a truly outstanding affiliate program.

As it is, the only really positive feature is Amazon's ability to convert. The recent increase in commissions with the lifting of the cap in some categories is a modest step in the right direction.

[ndaru]

Zeus, this is just an idea.

My site has 800+ unique visitors and 2000+ pageviews daily. It deals with various free widgets throughout 21 pages.

I'd made some experiments with pay-per-lead affiliate links. I put them on certain part of the pages with daily results like this:
- top of the page, in text links and/or banners --> almost no clicks
- top menu, near the 'contact us' and 'about us' links --> almost no clicks
- page header (below top menu), in text links --> almost no clicks
- page content (along the free widgets), in text links --> few clicks with even fewer conversion

Then I decided to give pop-up/pop-exit a shot. Naturally, I don't like pop-ups. So first I created a small 2 KB pop-exit asking for newsletter subscription. Then my newsletter subscription increased by double.

This brought me to a question. What if I created a pop-exit consisting of only pay-per-lead affiliate links? I did just that, and now I'm gaining 5 US$ a day. Not much, but still better.

My conclusion: despite many dislikes toward pop-ups, some people actually pay more attention to contents inside a pop-up, since they are smaller and focused.

So now I only put the affiliate links on a single page out of 22 pages. And I'm about to go with my next experiment: to put pay-per-sale affiliate links on that single page.

Hope this helps :)

Ndaru.

[NeedScripts]

Zeus,

Try FastClick, not big payout, but they will take your site. Also, a suggestion, to keep customers on your site, the thumbnails are not very clear - try to update them (make them more clear) and if possible link them. Cuz, people/I (I hope I can still relate myself to humans) expect that.

I hope you won't take any offence in above suggestion.

Hope this helps.

[zeus]

ndaru Thanks for your reply on this and you gave me some interesting info, but I still will not go over to pop ups, but I realy hope everything works out fine for your web site.

NeedScripts I know they are not that clear, but I had to do it that way to keep the page loading up faster and about the text link under the pictures I have just done that it took alot of time, before I had the link on the pictures like you said, but I changed that because a text link with the keyword to the picture is better for the search engines and now (not just because of that) Im listed perfect on Altavista and ok on Google.

About Fastclick I have submitted a form to them but no, I think they have enogh from my category or they dont like my contry I have seen that before.

Thanks

zeus

[spinoza]

Would it be an idea to sell widgets and things related to widgets, since this is what people are searching for?

[zeus]

Well I still have getting a little revenue out of my work, today I got a "Nob" from fastclick they still have to many in that categorie, but they liked my site, well thats great but I still have the same problem.

Now I dont have 120.000 visits a month, but about 195.000 visits a month and I am beginnig to think about what the chief said, that the stuff on my page is free so they will accept 1-2 pop unders, maybe only on the final site they reach.

zeus

[1Lit]

Use pop-unders. They'll help.

[KevinC]

I say go for it use pop-ups or pop-unders but be very choosy with wich ones you use. People can't expect you to give away all your content for free and not see any advertising. When you watch tv you get commercials right?

[shady]

I too have recently experimented with a pop under window with fantastic success!

I actually run an affiliate site with a full product range listed, rather than a simple affiliate link. I have found the popunder to generate around 10% extra sales.

[zeus]

Sorry I diddent reply before now, I thought the post was dead.

Maybe you are right Im working hard on that page, because of all the visits, so I have just aplyed for a pop under ads, I could place the on the last page they visit, thanks everybody.

I just got into yahoo 3 weeks ago, now I will see if it realy boost the ranking in Google in dec update like some says.

zeus

[fulcan]

Personally, we found that our members wanted a mechanism in order to sell their impressions and monteise their website. So as to faciliate the process we set up a trading room which is getting some interest in these early days, but is something that seems to be developing. The way it works is members can post a for sale sign in a forum and transact with other members by open auction or by direct sale. We leave it to them.

[jimh009]

Hi Zeus,

I took a look at your web site. These are just my thoughts about it, so take it for what it's worth.

Your first page was quite slow to load on a 56k modem - took 16 seconds to be displayed. Although when it did come up it was fully displayed. You might want to play with the code so the page visibly loads bit by bit instead of being blank and then suddenly appearing fully loaded. Lots of people won't wait 16 seconds for a page to load.

I personally don't much care for pop-ups. It strikes me that pop-up's are on their way out with MSN and AOL now banning them. Pretty soon, people are no longer going to expect pop-up's (like they do now) because of this. Just my belief, but in the not so distant future, visitors are likely to start being rather hostile towards pop-ups instead of just treating them as an irriation and inconvenience (as it is today).

Also, the banner ads you displayed really didn't fit too well with the content of your site. I went into the nature wallpaper area. You have some great images that would make for good wallpaper. But your ads for SAT TV and Gambling just don't fit with the content well at all. As a nature freak, the last thing I'm looking for is gambling or SAT TV when looking for nature wallpaper site!

This is just a thought (about Nature/Scenic section only), but instead of scrunching all those non-related banner ads into your nature section, why don't you kill them off entirely and instead launch a mini-poster store of scenic nature prints and such. If someone is looking for nature wallpaper you have a decent shot in interesting them in scenic nature prints, too. After all, you said your banner ads aren't working, so you really don't have anything to lose! Allposters may not convert the greatest, but it is pathetically easy to create a mini-poster store through them.

Finally, what about Webshots? I just discovered the other day that they offer an affiliate program. They pay like 1 cent per click through, so you won't get rich on it. But their banner ads would fit in with your site and I suspect would drive some traffic to them. Although, obviously, they are a competitior in your niche.

Anyway, just my two cents worth.

Jim

[zeus]

thanks for the post jim, I know the pages are a little slow, but I cant do nothing about it and about the pop under I just have a few 1 pop under on 3 main pages and 1 on the last page where they download and if they had seen that pop under ones its gone for 24 hours, so no pop under.

If some search engines maybe bane pop ups/under I only thing it will be the case if there comes 2 or more pop ups on one page, not for one pop up/under.

About the nature section, I am just planing something about posters there, because I dont realy have anything else to put there, that relates to nature.

thanks jim

zeus