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For the noobs - $20 a day is possible

and it's just a midstep to $100 a day?...



5:38 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My story: About a year ago I got into affiliate marketing. I read TONS of messages from this board and a couple others. Learned a lot and also learned that I know very little about this game :)

I am happy to say that this week with school starting, I broke the $20/day barrier...this month I will make the most ever so far at about $800 or so, all profit!

I sell BOOKS from Amazon, among other things. Not a big money maker, and tons of others do the same, so I am not too worried about being secretive about it :)

It also illustrates that one can pick up any product and break into the market and make some extra money. I don't know about you but $800 isn't pocket change for me :) 20" LCD monitor here it comes ;)

One thing I have to say to noobs about what they should do is , JUST DO IT!. Build a site, even if it has one page. It takes a few weeks to a couple months to get found by the search engines, so it's important that you at least get your domain going. Of course the more pages you have upfront, the easier it will be for you to be found.

Once you have the barebones of a site, I would really start getting some content. Write about a hobby of yours if you feel there's enough interest out there. Try and add an article every week or so. Break big articles into multiple pages, etc. Only YOU can decide what to build your site on. Read some of the more exhaustive threads on the topic on this forum.

I would say that the most important thing afterwards would be inbound links. I contacted over 300 sites in the span of a year. Find out what sites link to your competitors, then ask them to link to you. Obviously the better content you have, the better luck you will have with getting webmasters to link to you.So, content again.

Link exchanging boosted up my site to Pr5, and got me in the first page of serps for some major keywords, which in turn has netted me affiliate sales and adsense income. Whereas before I would have to seek out link partners, these days they find me!..it's quite an 'ego trip' when your site gets to be the one others are requesting link exchanges with! I've even had pr6 and pr7 sites sending me requests.

Anyway - I just wanted to share this , and hopefully it will serve as a motivation for those trying to break into the field.

It can be done!...


1:34 pm on Jan 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

...so tell me...how do I get started? I want in! I want in!


3:48 am on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

arrrgghh...don't call my name in vain!


4:36 am on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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you can get started by signing up for a PPC search engine and an affiliate network. Simple as that (to get started) ;)

From there, just experiment, you may loose a little bit of money in the beginning, but if you monitor it closely, it wont be much.

I have sent you a PM (sticky message) with some additional information.

[edited by: eljefe3 at 5:09 am (utc) on Jan. 26, 2005]


2:01 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Are you referring to something like AdWords and/or AdSense? I keep posting here requesting that someone send me a link showing me an example of an A/M site that makes money. As of yet, NOBODY has sent me a link. I'm skeptical to know whether you can make any REAL money doing this. Can anyone truly change my skepticism?


2:08 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>Can anyone truly change my skepticism?

What's it in for them?


2:09 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

You can make money doing this. A lot of money. However, if you don't believe it, you won't.

It is highly unlikely anyone is going to send you a link to a high performing site of their own.

Browse some known affiliate categories, or almost any category for that matter. Look for affiliate links....

That's not to say that every site is doing really well. But any well-optimised highly ranking site in a competitive area is going to be doing well, 95% of the time at least. :)

To be honest, if you want to make it as this game, you need to change your mindset. Start asking yourself "how can I make money as an affiliate?" and start testing. Blindly asking for examples of high-payout sites will lead to nothing but frustration.

Rest assured, there are people here making a LOT of money doing this. It is not even that hard once you figure out a formula. Start at the very last page of this very forum, and read every single thread and note down everything that seems even slightly important. Sure, it takes time, but I did it and it helped me a HEAP.

I learnt just about everything I know on this very board.

Best of luck. :)

<added> The best way to learn is by doing. Choose a niche, and pump out a quick site, whether it be 1 page or 100. Analyse your results, and adjust as necessary. Rinse, repeat. And never stop reading and learning. :) </added>


2:32 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As of yet, NOBODY has sent me a link.

That's bacause there is no one right answer. There are lost of different ways to make money and a lot of different merchants to promote.

It's just like Procyon said. Type in any "money" term (cityname hotel, pharmacy terms, finance and mortgage keywords etc) and look at the top few results in the serps.

Even if someone were to send you the link of a successful site and you copied it and placed it on your server it would probably not be successful for you. You still need to do the work of getting traffic to the site through links and directories.


3:56 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>I'm skeptical to know whether you can make any REAL money doing this.

I suggest you read farther back in this forum. There are several posts where people reveal (approximately) their income from pure AM. Look at some of mfishy's posts, for example, and you'll see what I mean. There's definitely money out there.


4:15 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't doubt there's money to be made. Is it realistic for the average joe though? I can say people make MILLIONS playing in the NBA but the amount of kids who play basketball and ultimately make it to the NBA is astronomically small. Just an illustration but the same holds true here. (or does it?)


4:40 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure what you are expecting. No one is going to hold your hand to guide you through the process of earning money.

How is this like the NBA? With the NBA genetics have to be on your side, and you have to start young.

Look up any keyword that earns money. You will see websites that are listed in the top 10, those websites earn good cash. Do you think those webmasters have anything special? Most webmasters dont even bother having a nice website design, I've seen webmasters earn 6 figures a month with websites that look like they went through hell. Yes if they tweaked the design conversions would increase but that is not the point. The point is anyone can do this, you dont need schooling (i never even graduated), you dont need to look like a movie star, you dont need to be atheletic, you can even do it on your own time. When it comes to internet skills... you dont even need to know how to be a great webdesigner. Learn how to use frontpage and ftp, and then when you start earning money outsource webdesign and the other boring stuff.

As for SEO... search engines are simple as hell. Yes they use complex algorithyms but the basics all come down to the same. Throw up a 5 page website, add some text content that takes a couple of hours to write, and upload the thing. Your cost is $7 for a domain name plus webhosting which I've seen as cheap as $35 a year.

Seriously, the question of is $20 a day possible is the biggest understatement. $1000 a day is possible. Or $5000. You can earn as much as the effort you put in. I meet people who earn 5 or 6 figures a month when i go to different conferences, and all of us have nothing special. If anything, most of us are possessed with the will to succeed and a bit more ambition than most.


4:41 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've only recently got into this AM stuff and although I am not making much money, in fact I'm losing a little at the moment, I can see the potential. I am still in the learning phase, trying out different things and seeing what sort of products sell etc.

I would also class myself as the 'average joe' (but quite a tall one) as I work a full time job and probably get a few hours a week to actually work on the AM campaigns. I don't have the spare money to plough into ad campaigns, but I do have a little spare which I try and use wisely, by this I mean trying ot find the products with little competition which in turn usually means that you don't have to pay much for keywords.

All I've set as a target for myself so far is 10 a day, and I'm way off that at the moment. Once you get 10 a day, getting that to 20 a day should be a lot easier than getting to 10 a day... and so it continues. Over the course of this year I hope to reach the 20 a day, that's 140 a week, 560 a month.... and that's a mortgage payment!

So as long as I don't lose too much, learning and testing will eventually turn into earning a little... then who knows.


8:39 pm on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've been watching this thread just to see if there were still people who thought you can't make money on the internet with affiliate programs and I've been rather amused. Yes you can. Is it easy? No. Is it hard work? Not really. The best thing about making money with affiliate programs is that ultimately you control your destiny and it doesn't matter who you are or how much money you have to start with. If you want to make money at it, you can but you do have to have some ambition and drive and you need to follow a process that works.

I've been very successful at building content sites that earn me enough money to pay all the bills and then some until I was able to quit my regular job after a couple of years. I'd suggest asking people who have had success with affiliate programs directly the questions you may have rather than expecting an answer with all of thier secrets in an open forum. I know I don't mind helping newbies. Sticky me for a list of successful affiliate content sites if you don't want to go searching for examples in the search engines. Good luck!


6:30 pm on Jan 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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antoine - great post. That about sums it up.


1:18 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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contentsiteguy: With your permission I'll take you up on that offer. I'm not expecting to be hand fed but, a little information from someone who has some runs on the board could go a long way. I've been lurking on this forum for a few days, I came here quite by accident whilst researching SEO for a site I'm involved with (I'm a web developer with about 5 years experience in backend design primarily using PHP and postgresql/mysql on the Linux platform). I like working on the web and am not averse to a little extra income :-)

Anyway, any info. you deem relavant/appropriate will be greatfully absorbed.



3:27 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not to get off-topic, but I've been following this thread for what seems to be an eternity, and it just dawned on me that I don't know what a noob is. Is this an exclusive club? I passed the $20 a day mark a long time ago.... can I still qualify?


3:31 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think you'd be an oldb


3:49 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Noob = newbie = unknowledgeable/just starting out/etc

So, the thread is basically telling us noobs to stop worrying if it's even possible. :)


4:14 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ah, ok. I guess even an oldb can still learn something in these threads if we just keep an open mind!


4:14 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Worrying is a waste of time anyway. :)

You either do it, or you don't. Either way, worry won't have changed the results..be they good or bad.


5:22 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The question is not about building a huge content site.
The question is how to get traffic that convert.


6:15 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

THAT'S the thing. For that reason I'm assuming there are only a few things that you could really do to make serious dollars (or even consistent dollars) by conversion. I mean if your site is ranking high in the S/E's for Halloween costumes, yeah you'll get a crap load of hits and maybe some conversion but how consistent is that? Also, how much of the overall conversion is to big name websites (Amazon.com) etc?


6:48 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>$20 a day possible

If i am a newbie i will aim for atleast $300 a day!


9:11 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm an uber noob then because today I just reached the $100/day :)

A week ago my site's performance with adsense dropped to like $35, when it was averaging $70 or so... I was pissed because I didn't want to go back to zero, so without much to lose except seeing my earnings drop, I went in and did a complete redesign of the site, with better adsense positioning, and surprise of surprises, adsense started pulling in over $100/day, with this past sunday pulling in a bit over $200!...- same traffic, mind you, but where click through was in the single digits, it shot to double digits.

I'm a happy camper if the traffic/revenue keeps on like this for the foreseable future. Because the $100+/day only started happening only recently, should it keep stable, I might pull in over $3.5k-$4k next month.

In the meantime, I'm very aware that 90% of the revenue I have is coming from one site only, and that makes me nervous. So I have 2 more sites lined up from product feeds that I'm interested in, following the same 'template' as this succesful one. Gotta keep dishing them out.

I'm also doing some PPC to pull traffic to my site, but I'm doing the minimal $0.05 bid, so it's not a biggie.

I've also started advertising on other sites, so in the next couple months we'll see if the SE's like that or not and reward me accordingly.

So there ya go folks, about 6 months after I started for real, I reached the $100/day. Back in May I made $10 for the whole month!...

I won't be really confortable with any of this success until I reach about $10k/month, spread over several sites/PPC - then I can wither any storm if something should happen.

I'm thinking about going more into PPC because it seems that's where the big money is, and is faster as well. I've been in the adsense forum in WW who might help me get things more focused as far as PPC and what to do, so we'll see. If any uber pros would like to take on an understudy, please consider me :)

Now on to the $300/day mark... :D


10:55 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good Work Rfung.

You have proved that there is still gold in them thar hills!


1:08 am on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've been reading this post from the beginning and sense your frustration. As someone else mentioned, no one is going to handhold you to a pot of gold. I am quite passionate about what I do, and it's reflected in the content that I create, which builds trust, which leads to sales.

My advice would be - don't focus on the prize - the prize (affiliate $$$) will come as a byproduct of your passion behind the site you create.

Making money is actually really easy, the hard part is earning a living doing something you truly enjoy. Sounds sappy but I make 1/2 what I used to during the .com days but am so much happier.

Lastly, this post is but one chapter in a whole novel of internet roads to riches - I was doing search in 1998 and everyone in 2000 thought it was dead - Google at $200 a share proves otherwise. The point: there have been and will be all sorts of ways to use this medium to make cash, and they often come back full-circle when you least expect them..

good luck!


3:01 am on Jan 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks...I'll trek on and begin my quest. I'll be back with an update! Wish me luck and good luck to you all!


5:01 pm on Jan 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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hi rfung,

I am new to AM..:)I got some questions for you

- what is the website traffic to generate say..$30 in adsense revenue? what's the best traffic method?

- what is the ideal CTR?

- are you into James Martell styled website?

- How many AM products do you promote in a single page?


Best Regards,
P.S. My target is to earn $30/day as a start...but my new website is not getting any PR or traffic I am bit worried here


6:19 pm on Jan 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>My advice would be - don't focus on the prize - the prize (affiliate $$$) will come as a byproduct of your passion behind the site you create.

My advice is the opposite. Don't chase your dreams. Use adwords and overture keyword stats and go for quantifiable targets.

I have pie-in-the-sky ex-business partner. He is just about to go bankrupt. He has 100 ideas a day and never realises any of them. Don't fall into his trap. Look for something with a market before you jump in, and make sure you finish what you started before you move on to the next one. If you do a really good job with your first idea you may even be able to reproduce it in scale like Cabbie did.

Our company's first affiliate site has made about 250$ a day since last October when we swtiched it on, and we hope to multiply that by between 10 or more times this year by just making more of the same, just from the one idea. To be honest I can see the road ahead and I will be disappointed if we don't meet that goal.


8:19 pm on Jan 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My advice is the opposite. Don't chase your dreams. Use adwords and overture keyword stats and go for quantifiable targets.

Totally agree. The fact of the matter is that not every topic you make make a web site about has the potential to make money. You need to approach it like a business and do some homework upfront.

Someone who is passionate about video cameras will probably make a lot more money than a site that ponders if Mary Ann or Ginger was hotter.

I know this because I have a few sites that I did just for fun. I am one of the authoritative sites on the web for the subject matter. I rank number one for the keywords. I don't think I have ever made any money off the site.


2:15 am on Jan 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I totally agree..

From what I see in CJ- credit cards, loans, cosmetic, web hosting even shoe pay the highest commissions & have a better conversion rate...these are the things I want to do in next couple of months.

I wonder is 300 searches per day keyword is worth pursuing? Or at least start with 1k searches/day?

What is the traffic to generate $30/day, anyone?



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