Forum Moderators: skibum

Message Too Old, No Replies

Going the $1 a site route

         

hdpt00

4:26 am on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



I've been reading here for a bit now and I've read some poss that say one way of doing affiliates is to go the have 1,000 sites that each make $1 a day. What I was wondering though, if someone could point me in the right direction that is, I have some general questions:

1) For this route should I research some good PPC or go for organic SERPS?
2) Do I make one landing page or some type of site with 10,000 html pages to possibly go for that higher PR?

Any other hints or tips and what to avoid to try that $1 a site route would be invaluable. Thanks in advance.

gopi

12:34 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



>> 1,000 sites that each make $1 a day

IMHO With $1/day/site you will be going nowhere ...

Personally a site should make me atleast $500/month to keep it and much much more than that to keep working on it (to get links etc).

A moderate goal per site would be like say $2000/month

GuitarZan

1:19 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Hey,

I assume Gopi, that you are talking about content sites? I am building Mini Sites right now, and would be happy if each one made $200 a month. Mind you they take a lot less time to build. Some will make more, and some will make less.

C.K.

gopi

1:38 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Mini or Monster sites , what you make depends on which space you operate ... but even if you work on a low payout area like posters $200/month is very very low!

There are 'one page wonder' sites out there which makes more than say 5k/month :)

gopi

1:44 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



When the biggies talk about operating 100's of sites they dont mean each site make a equal amount , what they mean is by throwing say 100 sites some 20 may stick and produce dough while others just sit there

When the SE's turn tide the dormant ones may start producing and the other sites may retire :)

ThomasB

1:44 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I think it really depends of the kind of sites and the niche you're in.

I have sites that made 1k/day and I have others that made 50 USD/month and there were also times in the past when I was happy to have the 50 USD/month sites as they paid the costs for servers and all the other spammy things. ;) But I think a good mixture of site types is important if you want to do it on a long-term basis. Florida was the best proof for that. I lost 25% of my traffic but 75% of the domains were affected. Glad I have a mixture of techniques. :)

hdpt00

2:08 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



Well onto the question, any advice anyone?

jomaxx

3:21 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Yeah. Make 100,000 even worse sites that make just 1c per day. Or how about 36,000,000 sites that make just 1c per year?

TrustNo1

3:27 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



"1,000 sites that each make $1 a day."

What kind of nonsense is that?

ronin

5:00 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



ThomasB is right. It's good to diversify your strategies. Build long pages and short pages, big websites, small websites and one page websites, small networks of sites which each make $1 per day, huge sites which make twenty times that, use PPC for some sites and SEO for others.

Cover your bases.

TrustNo1

5:10 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



What Ronin said, i have less than 10 sites and all different. A big shopping site, a site based on a holiday, site based on a theme, a niche site, a content/community type site etc. I know people that just have 1 site and spend all their time on that and are doing just fine. I know others that have lots of mini sites and do fine. What works for one person might not work for you. Try different routes and find the ones that work for you.

aleksl

5:12 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



Get big, really, re-e-e-e-eally big, buy everyone out and spend your day sunbathing on a beach, or mountain skiing, whatever works :)

The point is while building a few sites that may make you $1 a day you will invariably stumble upon ones that will make you $10/day. You will pause, figure out why it is so, dump your old sites and continue on building sites that earn $10/day. And the circle goes on.

The only problem is, by the time you are done with 1000 sites you'll be blind from starring at the monitor for years, and that money will do you no good. ;)

hdpt00

5:23 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



Is it possible for someone to sticky me some examples of an affiliate site (a decent one). I am not even sure what a good one should look like or be like, etc. I know you don't want to give anything away, but maybe you've stumbled upon a non competing market one you could point me to.

Thanks.

jomaxx

5:24 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Personally I think diversity is overrated, but these discussions just go to show that there are plenty of routes to the summit.

Anyway, here's a piece of advice since you mentioned you just signed up with CJ: You'll be building a lot of $0/day sites, so be ready. Making money with affiliate programs, even a figure as seemingly trivial as $1 a day, is not a slam dunk.

aleksl

5:52 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



good affiliate site? shop dot aol dot com. :)

AW_Learner

6:48 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



The problem with the concept I think is:

1) You cannot tell how much a site will make. You don't set what it makes. It can make way more or way less then you thougt it would or your goal.

2) If you are trying to make all 1000 sites make money that means you have to drive traffic and seperate marketing to 1000 different locations (urls). How much time and money do think that will take for 1000 sites that are only making $1? Each site will cost you more then $1 a day in marketing at first.

3) If you are looking for a way to start with little investment that would not be it. How much will it cost to register 1000 domains? At even the cheapest registars about $10,000. And twice that if you want to buy a privacy proxy and not have your email , phone number and contact information on 1000 domains in the Whois. 1000 domains with that info will definetely increase your chances of receiving a Whole lot O Spam...

4) Most of the people who have 1000's of sites don't use them all to drive traffic and sales to each one but use most of them to just build up the links and PR of there main smaller group of money maker sites.

The main thing I would think about is if it is worth the effort and cost to drive traffic to 1000 different locations instead of focusing the traffic.

hdpt00

7:26 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



So maybe then what are some good tactics to have 10 or so pretty good performing sites? Assuming only around $1,000-$2,000 start up.

AffiliateDreamer

8:11 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I think the idea should be, JUST START.

The question is valid, but in reality I think what will happen is what someone said in a previous thread. You will learn as you go and learn what to do to make more than $1 per day.

One problem with that mentality is that you may be passing by bigger profits on any given product, but since you met your $1 per day goal you might not work on it as hard as you should/could and miss a gold mine.

p.s i'm a newbie but this is the way i see it.

jomaxx

9:10 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Ready, fire, aim.

hdpt00, if you are asking around here for an example of some example affiliate site that you can look at/copy, you are not ready to build 10 websites. Build ONE site and spend some time improving it and learning from it before building a second. Net cost: well under $100.

hdpt00

10:26 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



Okay. I will try that. Should I put any money in that $100 budget toward PPC? Or should all efforts go to SEO on the first site?

hobbnet

10:56 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



1,000 sites that each make $1 a day.

Some of you are taking this advice WAY too literally.

I think this is concept is great advice. A lot of people look to the internet as a way to get rich quick. Unfortunately the real world truth is that it is very hard to get rich quick and to get rich without putting in real work (of course there are rare exceptions but they are just that, rare.) The above advice is a concept that can help train people to get over the get rich quick ideas and see the value in slowly building quality sites/pages. If you are having trouble with the idea of 1,000 sites a day think of it this way. 1 site with 1,000 pages with each page making $1 a day. Obviously if you can get a page to earn $1 a day you can probably make more from it but again, I think it is a great concept.

Personally I think diversity is overrated
I think that statement is ridiculous.Putting all your eggs in one basket is a silly thing to do. "Black Friday" was a perfect example of this.

jomaxx

12:22 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Whatever. I think some diversity is good. I expanded from 1 main site to 2 sites in the past year, and that has worked out well. But building dozens of different sites on all different topics isn't diversity - it's simply putting every good, bad and mediocre idea you come up with on an equal footing.

My philosophy is, find one great idea -- a market niche, an affiliate program that converts well, a viral marketing strategy, whatever -- and ride it as long and as far as possible. Most people get no more than about ten great ideas in their whole lives, so when you recognize one, you don't want to be spending 99.9% of your time grinding out dreck sites. You want to grow that one idea as fast as possible.

P.S. The preceding is not a description of The One True Way. It's just my personal belief, and I don't wish death to infidels.

Edwin

2:26 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



$1 a day is the floor, a benchmark if you like. It's also ONE approach amongst many.

If you can build, in a day, a site/mini-site/whatever that will go on to earn $1 a day and which will require no ongoing maintenance or promotion, and if you can replicate that success, then you've just found one path to success. Not the only path, but one path for sure.

If it takes you a month to figure out how to build the first $1-a-day site, a week to figure out how to replicate for Site #2, a few days to replicate for Site #3 and by Sites #5 or #6 you can knock them out in a day or so, then you've won. It's going to take time, but all you have to do (just like climbing a long staircase) is keep building those sites and the money will add up to a decent total. Within months you'll be getting $30 a day, within six months you'll break $100 a day, within a year you'll break $250 a day and by the end of two years you'll break $500 a day.

Of course, the above can be mixed and matched with any and all other winning strategies - it's not a process meant to be executed to the exclusion of all others. And during the process of site-building and optimization, you are bound to stumble across better niches, better keywords, better ways of presenting and selling the products or services you pitch - so that by going back to some of the older $1-a-day sites and fine-tuning or expanding them you can turn them into $lotsmorethan1-a-day sites!

From a goal-setting/motivation perspective it still helps to think of revenue streams in terms of $-a-day (for example a site that consistently sells a couple of widgets a month for a $60 commission is a $2-a-day site).

For instance, I set up some adwords campaigns for some keywords specifically relating to the purchasing of widgets (i.e. there is special terminology that people who are buying widgets as opposed to looking for information about widgets would use). Took me a day to set up and research the ads, and they generate $10 a day on average in profit. So hey, that's like having 10 more mini-sites... If my goal was to get one new $1-a-day revenue stream going, that's 10 days worth of results right there.

hdpt00

3:54 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)



In terms of buying domains, does it matter much at all if it is something like very-non-creative-very-long-keywords.com or should I look for something else. Is that going to be a clear way of getting recognized as SPAM. Also, should I always go with that anonymous registration?

ronin

1:33 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



In terms of domain names I always try to go for something that is striking and short, or long and funny, or even something snappy that rhymes... but in all cases, something memorable.

You can buy a hypenated-keywords domain name which looks attractive to the SE algo of the day... but IMHO a memorable name which inspires type-ins years afterwards (from people who heard it from a friend at a party) is worth a lot more.