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Google vs Teoma

Plan to win over google users?

     
6:53 pm on Apr 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing something going on here, that is that Teoma has a plan to be a major player along the side of Google. But how will this work out, we already see that Teoma has a nice clean webpage - like google, and the results are not inked with banner advertisement.

The downside of Teoma I am seeing is that they are paid submission with crawling.

But are webmasters happy? People who are highly ranked on google are finding even better results with Teoma, was this their plan? Be higher ranked, plug their database into other engines and get webmasters to support them because hey my page and my clients page is higher. ;)

I see Teoma doing a Microsoft move, that is if you cant win, follow closely behind and shank the competitor in the leg to get the head lead.

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Google have become the defacto standard for search, everything that anybody attempts in their space is judged against their standard and kudos to them for that.

I think personally that teoma have gone for the throat, they know that Google are weak in certain areas and have attacked them with the right hand side of the SERP's. It is a "shot to nothing" [a snooker term] they cannot fail to gain with it and Google are unable to respond without pushing their core results further down the screen. A master stroke imho.

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Short term, we are better than the competition strategy works. Long term, it doesn't. You get seen as near do wells and also rans that could never stand on your own two feet. Even mentioning Google is a strategic mistake at this point for Teoma. It got their foot in the door with the press on this one, but they need to produce. The keys to Teoma's success are not on Googles server, they are on their own. That's were 100% of their focus needs to be. Take care of their home turf, and everything else out there will take care of itself.

On the other hand, Teoma is the best thing to happen for Google since the Yahoo deal. Nice, plausible competition without a serious threat at this point.

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Teoma has an openning... Google's update problems are making their index staler than usual. Does this effect most users? Depends, if Teoma can product better results AND (the big question) people try Teoma now, they may look good and start to pick up users.

However, Google really has a ways to drop before there is a big openning. When Google came out, it was miles ahead of everyone, as a Google user I am used to being able to scan the top 5 results and get what I'm looking for. That is a huge step up from viewing multiple results to get an idea.

However, unless Google pulls an Altavista, I don't see Teoma getting more that a small portion of the search market, though that still might be enough to help Askjeeves out enough to stay afloat.

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You'd have to say, after all the hype about non-updates and new releases, its sorta like a pre-election. Google vs. Teoma? This week Teoma won, a promising new look while the word of mouth in regards to Google is "no update".

I personally wont pay much attention to teoma until I see it in my referrer logs

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>>and get webmasters to support them<<

Not me. They didn't even get out of beta before they announced PFI, looking at the serps and the auto "drill down" features I see a lot of room to monetize that thing on a much broader scale very rapidly.

I'll just tell you how I see it; I think they will be able to drain an advertising account faster than overture if they get the proper press and reception. They won't get that from me.

They are not a "search" company like google, they are an advertising delivery company trying to look like a *real* search engine.

Their db is small for a reason, I don't believe their algo will work with the size of a google-like index, and what kinda peeves me is that everyone is buying into this whole "quality not quantity and paid includers are higher quality" nonsense.

If they put a nice check mark next to the paid guys, I might give them some credit for integrity.

Anyway, that's the way I see it; just remember that if you promote it, you might someday be forced to feed it (with your dollars).

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The "Ask Jeeves" crawler has been all over our sites the past 30 days. It works pretty hard when it's visiting and then leaves for days and then comes back. I checked a few old pages via Teoma that have been around for years, but have been updated about three months ago. Those pages are still indexed with the old data. I'm sure the new updates are in their system, but they are not showing up yet. I think it's great that someone else is trying to offer an alternative to Google. Not because something's wrong with Google, but because it's good for all of us in the web business. Instead of another news story about a dot com going out of business, there is something postive for the media to report.
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Teoma has an openning... Google's update problems are making their index staler than usual.

I'm sorry, were you trying to imply that Teoma's index is fresher than Google's?

Here's the current top search result if you search Teoma for "Google":


1. Google

Happy Holidays from Google Web Images Groups Directory ? Advanced Search ? Preferences ? Language Tools Advertise with Us - Add...
[google.com...]


Happy Holidays? Happy Holidays? Yeah, that's fresh.

I think the new emperor has no clothes.

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You guys really love google dont you? Teoma seems to me to have a better algorithm (hubs vs authorities - the CLEVER algo I discussed a few weeks ago). Teoma seems to have a better user interface with the sidebar. Teoma may have two overture results, but google has two sponsors on top and 8 on the side. Unlike other upstarts, teoma has askjeeves providing at least a small market force to start from. Paid spidering is not a crime and not one that is very visible to the public. In the days of 'googlewhacking', 'information overload', and other catch words, media could easily have a ball with teoma.
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paid for submission to Teoma, can't wait to see how that works out.
4:57 am on Apr 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Had an interesting chat with several friends over coffee the other day. One had seen the "Google-killer" article and was wondering how true it was. As I expounded on the relative merits of the two engines, a subcurrent kept coming up in the conversation... "Tay-O-mah... how the hell do you spell it?" ;) Just a thought.
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PS: I just tried some misspellings on Google to see if they'd correct me....

"Do you mean tacoma?"

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What gets me about Teoma is that is was really aggressive about expanding it's database before the AJ take over, but now I have sites that are four months old, in Y! and DMOZ but the sites haven't even seen the Teoma spider or anything from AJ.

So, as of now, I'd say they are going down the wrong path if they want to gain some of google's market.

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A few questions about Teoma:
Two things seem to work together to favor sites over pages in their results: The paid inclusion program, for which many will submit only home pages or catagory pages. (I am assuming they will not crawl your domain on the a single page submission, thus a shallower crawl overall) And an algo that emphasises links and link context. It seems that Teoma should like themed sites.
Subject-Specific Popularity ranks a site based on the number of same-subject pages that reference it...
Google, on the other hand, excells at finding words and phrases on a page, and then evaluates the popularity of the page. A site could have many different topics, one per page, and Google would still find relevant results, if the search term was definite where as Teoma would not.(I am thinking out loud here, please correct any of my observations)That is, Google teases out obscure content better than Teoma (witness googlewhacking, weblogs), where as Teoma refines the "pre-Google" hub, authority, home page model.
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I think if Teoma was a standalone search engine headed by a few people that had more than money on their mind (see Sergey and Larry) than you would have something to worry about if you were Google. As long as Google keeps on innovating, they'll remain the top competition, the yardstick.'s already failed

A company like Ask Jeeves who obviously couldn't create a relevant engine had to buy one, I think the management that has taken over will not fail to run this engine into the ground.

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Does anyone know of a way to get a new site into the Teoma database for free?

Will Teoma's spider follow links between web sites and index the new sites into their search results, or only index them for the data needed to calculate their version of "popularity"?

8:52 pm on Apr 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>Will Teoma's spider follow links between web sites and index the new sites into their search results...

Yes it does, but the best way in for free is via Yahoo and/or ODP.

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Hmmm. Kinda like Google.
 

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