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I think WebmasterWorld should separate this forum into more Forums. At least two from what I see (Server Side Scripting – Windows Only, Server Side Scripting – Perl, PHP, and UNIX).
If there is more demand after that then perhaps separate based on Language, because languages like PHP and Perl can be used on Windows as well. Although some functions differ depending on the OS.
That is my two 2 cents. I hope there is enough demand to spilt the forum.
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Most of my site uses ASP so it would be handy for me to skip all the PHP stuff which might be confusing to a newbie :)
I don't want to have to wade through all the Access/MS-SQL questions when I am looking for MySQL questions. I have to say I know a lot of MySQL questions, and a MySQL forum could be very big.
I like the following categories:
Most commonly you are going to talk about a database according to the language you are interfacing with it in. So I would tend not to have the database forum. But if Brett agreed to more forums and would not mind an extra two for only database question. Then I would have two general db forums based on OS (Unix or Win)... Then wait for the demand to build in those two forums and then sort them again by Database application.
Access, MS SQL
MySQL, Postgres, Oracle, etc.
that is the best idea I have heard all day. I agree, I always read the perl,php,mysql post but not often do I read the asp posts. Not that I'm not interested, I just don't often have much to offer. I usually scan the post titles and look for mention of php or mysql and if I don't see it I don't read them.
If the php was split off I would read all of them and, hopefully, be able to help out where needed or learn more quickly.
As much as I would also like to see MS/*nix questions divided into their own forums, last I heard there aren't enough dedicated MS platform questions to leave them standing all by their lonesome...
ASP - "ASP / Access errors"
PHP - "Message Board & eCard Scripts"
??? - "Software Licensing"
CGI - "Close to perfect..."
ASP - "Help. ASP Newbie completely perplexed."
CGI - "Multiple Column sort in a flatfile text (csv) database"
PHP - "Need some help here... desperately"
ASP - "Update Stmt takes three tries (sometimes)"
PHP - "[PHP] unset dont work"
ASP - "Response.redirect doesn't work"
ASP - "SQL: How to optimize that query?"
ASP - "Cfhttp and asp"
CGI - "Host that limit SSI"
4 PHP questions
6 ASP questions
4 Perl/CGI questions
I would be more willing to answer the generic questions but they need to be more clearly labeled. That is why new forums are needed. "Software Licensing" question above is hard to figure out. But I am guessing it is ASP questions.
Let's put it to a vote!
Do you approve the split?
:) That should help clear things up a bit...
But, I love to get a verdict on this. Even though I think more input would help. EX: Like that database input from Mole.
While I've been trying and trying to learn perl/mysql, I feel like I'm finally getting somewhere :)
when I glance through the forum (server side scripting) I just keep thinking, "if we could seperate this out somehow..."
I think it would encourage a lot more discussion. (I know it would for myself).
Which is a good reason to do it...and I for one am positive that demand would grow in time.
I think you'll find that (with help from the regulars scanning our Active List [webmasterworld.com]) the discussion will receive additional input here as well.
(edited by: mivox at 1:43 am (utc) on Mar. 26, 2002)
I can see the point you guys are making; there are a number of people here who use and like Microsoft technologies, though it's not the majority.
>(Server Side Scripting – Windows Only, Server Side Scripting – Perl, PHP, and UNIX).
There hasn't been a consistently tremendous demand over time, and with so many home machines still using primarily Windows, it almost makes me think it could include "all things microsoft" if it were ever done.
Has anyone looked to see how many people are actually jumping in and answering questions in the MS related threads? If it were to happen there could be an increase in the number of questions asked, and it would take enough knowledgeable members around to come up with answers.
How do we do all this and not end up with a forums index page [webmasterworld.com] that isn't a meg? If we keep adding forums (4 more in the todo hopper), there's a point where we'll have to do something different.
It would add a tier to forum navigation, but once the user is really hooked they'll just bookmark the active list anyhow, so they'll never notice. People have been well-trained to deal with drill-down navigation by now, IMO... Especially tech-savvy users like wmw gets.
The Webmaster World
- Browsers, HTML, and Web Page Design
- Server Side Scripting
> - ASP
> - PHP
> - Perl/CGI
> - Databases
> > - MS Access / MS SQL
> > - MySQL
> > - All others ( Oracle, Postgres, Etc.)
- Website Technology Issues
> - Windows
> - Unix
- Website Graphics Design and Usage
- Domain Names
- Professional Webmaster Business Issues
- Tracking and Logging
- Webmaster General
- Ecommerce and Ecommerce Promotion
- Reciprocal Linkage Topics
- Advertising Sales and Affiliate Programs
- Linux, Unix, and *nix like Operating Systems
I agree a Database forum is probably needed at some time, but I am not sure about splitting into three fora based on specific database. If a question arises about Normalisation for example, without specifying a particular database, then into which forum should it go? Normalisation applies to any database, be it Access, MySQL, FileMaker Pro (serious ommission from the list :) ), or whatever.
Another challenge is that a Script quite often goes together with a Database. Not always, but quite often. So what happens when someone wants help with a script linking to a database. Into which forum should it go?
Also, I sometimes get tips reading threads about scripts I don't use, and then think about how I would apply that idea or algo in the script I do use. Cross Pollination is Good!
It can be a danger to compartmentalise things or people two quickly in their growth. I would suggest we perhaps need a little more patience as these fora continue their growth.
In the meantime, perhaps we could be a little more descriptive in our Titles and Descriptions to enable members to scan through the offerings more quickly.
Instead of "This Script Doesn't Work!!!", perhaps something like
Title: ASP/Access Database Insert script giving me problems
Description" Giving error #7858763-d
or something like that.
Just an idea.
(edited by: Woz at 7:49 am (utc) on Mar. 26, 2002)
For example Gardening questions could go in a Gardening Forum. But what good would desert questions do with Rain Forest gardening? Everything needs its own place.
Ok, this is how I would lay it out. Drilling down into Server Side Scripting I would arrive at this screen.
For your question about Normalization I would still have the generic level. So For example if I wish to know what is the better form; third normal form or forth normal form for a particular schema I would ask that question in the general database forum. But if it is a clear MySQL issue. I would ask it in the MySQL forum at not bother all the Windows people. I would have a big disclaimer on the database forum that says to file the question or comment in the language if a language is involved at all. So if I have a MySQL/PHP issue file that in MySQL. But everything in its own place.
Also php/perl/asp are all programming languages that are used to implement the cgi standard - so seperate fora for each is not neccessarily appropriate. (php and perl are so similar in many repects that a lot would be lost).
Also splitting unix/windows is not so useful, apache, perl and php run across many platforms.
Open Source Server Side Scripting: (perl,php,mysql)
Proprietory Server Side Scripting: (asp, mysql er oracle)
Darn it - lots of my perl scripts are working with oracle and sybase.... so where would I post a question about that?
OK ... so my vote is keep as is or put into
MS Web Technologies (IIS, ASP, SQLServer, Access)
Server Side Scripting (Perl, PHP, MySQL, Sybase, Oracle)
Web Server Technologies (Apache erm is there another web server?? - mod_rewrite, other mod questions)
I think in the next year there will be a big increase in the numbers of java servlet/jsp type questions - as it increases in popularity.
In the short term Woz's suggestion: [php] Blah blah? - type subjects is great and I'll try to use that in future posts.
OK enough rambling -- hope that there are some useful ideas amoungst the mindless drivel.
A post about Apache would seem to fit best into the Technology forum, but then if it's mod_rewrite and involves regular expressions... hmm, Scripting? It's tricky, and I don't really know the answer.
I'm not sure that splitting off ASP/M$ is warranted, as the same concepts underly all scripting languages and often an answer will be applicable or useful whatever your preference of language.
Having said that, we seem to be very *nix-centric here. If I could ask members with ASP experience to help out by checking over the ASP posts and maybe contributing an answer, that side of things may grow enough to warrant it's own forum in the future?
Added: Yep, I second Woz's suggestion of putting the language/database etc in the title of the post. A fine idea :)
from the top down, exactly as per the right hand side of the home page: major topics branching between say three to twelve times at each level.
From the bottom up, all the actual threads fitting into the best possible position in the forum heirarchy.
And, in the middle, as much multiple linking as possible, so that for example you could find a thread discussing the integration of Perl and Apache on a Unix box by any of these routes......
Server Side Scripting---->Perl
Web Site Technology issues---->Apache
Linux Unix & *nix---->Unix