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4:29 am on Jun 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just wanted to let the contributors of this forum know that, the grammer and variety of words used here greatly outperform other categories. I'll be reading more here to improve my language skills and I suggest the same to other techno-geek guys like me. ;)
2:40 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How does the saying go? Read a book a day and....\

Glad to know that someone will benefit from what is written here; however, remember that forum writing and article or creative content writing are very different.

When I write in a forum, I don't think more than a blink of an eye as to my structure, grammer, or agreement(s) - as compared to writing an article whereby I spend at least a couple blinks to make sure things are as they should be.

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4:00 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"grammer"?
8:41 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That's rite, grammer! G-r-a-m-m-e-r an makes no mistake about it.

We ain't done think more than no precious eyeblink spoutin' out in this here forum and ain't realy none of us done so far's i member. But hands down we's the bes g'dm forum this heckhole's got and you bes be prauwd of it. Jes' you 'magine what we puts are mind too an' all the blinkin' an the likes.

Jes' you 'magine.

10:39 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm laughing!
11:44 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"That's rite,"
no commenntts
12:33 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>grammer

Very logical, if you want to go by the "generalities" of the rulebook and by pronunciation. I think we have to keep in mind that not everyone in forums has English has their native language... AND English is a language in which there's no rule that doesn't get broken by oddball spelling of words. Idioms have to be memorized one by one, and non-native language users don't have the advantage of having grown up with the quirks of the language.

Quite frankly, I don't think ridicule is the best usage of the English language that I've seen. Guess who it makes look bad?

12:42 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> I think we have to keep in mind that not everyone in forums has English has their native language...

well put,

fortunately the great thing about english is that it is very 'forgiving' - by which i mean that although there is a 'correct' way of saying things, incorrect use is nearly always easily understood

i might add that english is an official language of many countries other than the uk and usa, and we often speak differently, so who is to say which way is correct?

7:12 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"grammer"?

That's rite, grammer! G-r-a-m-m-e-r an makes no mistake about it.
We ain't done think more than no precious eyeblink spoutin' out in this here forum and ain't realy none of us done so far's i member. But hands down we's the bes g'dm forum this heckhole's got and you bes be prauwd of it. Jes' you 'magine what we puts are mind too an' all the blinkin' an the likes.

Jes' you 'magine.

Who let the kids in here? My post was written with good intentions to whom who deserves it. You should be having enough fun wasting others time.

2:27 am on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I keep wondering if there is some secret book where people are awarded points for pointing out spelling errors?

I have seen a million and five spelling errors, but I have never pointed them out even one time. The point is this, every message that I have seen with a spelling error was still understandable and coherent. That is what matters.

It has also been my experience that those that take the time to post about a spelling error (strictly) are in some fashion attempting to elevate themselves. Now, I don’t have a degree in psychology, or in this case abnormal psychology, but I do believe that there is some underlying aspect to blatantly pointing out the mistakes of another.

So, for a brief period, “bedlam” and “content writer” elevated themselves by their observations. Congratulations and well done. You are far better than the rest of us. Ha.

For me, I have never enunciated “Grammar” with the “ar” sound like in “jar.” I have always said it “mer” as in “summer.” Naturally, when I am writing quickly and in my type of autopilot mode (which I employ when writing in forums), I write as I am thinking and pay little attention to anything else.

Some people will take an hour to write a 100 word post on a forum. Me, I take about 3 or 4 minutes – longer if I am eating something and have to type with one hand.

Try to think like this… what purpose is served by pointing out a spelling mistake in a forum?

This is an impromptu, spontaneous, and informal place to write and adherence to strict grammatical rules is more applicable to a professionally written piece than in a forum.

3:32 am on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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So, for a brief period, “bedlam” and “content writer” elevated themselves by their observations. Congratulations and well done. You are far better than the rest of us. Ha.

Hoo boy.

Has anyone in this thread heard of irony? Did it strike no one as remotely amusing that two subsequent posts in a thread in the content forum about the quality of language spelled the same word incorrectly in the same way? Did I misjudge this forum's readers' tastes in humour?

Apparently the answer to the last item is 'yes'...

I do believe that there is some underlying aspect to blatantly pointing out the mistakes of another.

In this, at least, you're right. There was a serious point I was trying to make humourously, namely that along with the other aspects of written expression, spelling is really quite important.

Professional communicators - the audience I assume the original poster was addressing, given the subject and particular forum chosen - need to take spelling as seriously as any other aspect of written language.

There are a number of obvious reasons for this, but I'll mention just two: First of all (and most importantly for the purposes of communication), standardized spelling is a great aid to reading comprehension - especially for newcomers to the language. Certainly English spelling is baroque, bizarre and bloody difficult to learn, but when you're reading an unfamiliar language, the small cues to meaning such as can be found in words like 'wright', 'right', 'write' and 'rite' (or "you're", "your", "yore" and "Eyore"...) become very important.

As an indifferent student of several languages myself, I can only admire any new English speaker actually courageous and proficient enough to post messages in English on a public forum at all, but as I have rather awkwardly learned for myself, correct spelling is also a necessity if you're to make yourself understood to native speakers in your new language.

Secondly, and possibly more important in the context of a community composed largely of internet marketers: your writing is your best opportunity (sometimes your only opportunity) to establish the ethos of your site, your business or yourself. If it's important that you, your site or your business appear knowledgable, professional, authoritative, educated, informed or even just honest and trustworthy, then the written content on your site must play an important role in communicating these qualities.

One part of this kind of communication is simply getting it right. This is the reason why successful businesses do - and should - hire technical writers, journalists, copy editors and marketing agencies to produce or review their content: they need to get it right.

Unfortunately, I didn't have the content of my earlier message reviewed by my copy editors or marketing people, and the result was all these defensive posts. Obviously I didn't get it completely wright :-)

-B

2:27 pm on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Back to the original topic at hand ...

Thanks very much for the compliment. We try hard to keep the quality of the discussions extremely high here at Webmasterworld. We have people from all over the world who participate in the forums, and a significant percentage of our members do not have English as a first language.

I think you'll find that overall, people are tolerant of grammatical and spelling errors - because none of us is perfect. And since we're all communicating about a common set of topics, those mistakes that do happen to all of us generally don't get in the way of the message.

7:24 pm on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am always struck that a forum with such a technical bias writes in such an artistic fashion.

It makes me wonder what the language is like on flower-arranging-world or hair-dressing-world.

9:19 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That would be interesting. I will have to take some time to browse those types of sites. Maybe they write in techno-geeky style - wouldn't that be cool.

"Ya, the color is hued out at +5 on the gamma and the pedals remind of an early Mac. That stem is FireWire cool like. Ah and the smell is nothing like my Hot Pockets."

3:55 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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standardized spelling is a great aid to reading comprehension

Ouch! Too many "Zeds"* in there for the British. ;) I'm glad you appreciate irony, Bedlam. :)

* Is that pronounced "zee" in American? In some parts of my native India the closest the natives can get is "ezed", don't ask me why.

3:08 pm on Jun 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm fairly new with PHP and have been spending a lot of time on the PHP boards (mostly asking questions)

However webmaster world boards wern't the first I went to. The first one I went to (I will not name it) I posted a problem that I had been struggling with for some time.
Not one of the replies I recived answered my question. All of them were insulting messages aboult my spelling or messages congradulating each other on the level of insult they were dishing out. One even implied that as a female I belonged in a kitchen and not on a computer.

Coming here I have been very impressed with the maturity level of the average poster. So far no one has commented on my bad spelling.

Sarah

10:11 pm on Jul 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The strange thing is, since this thread was started, I, and I know some other members have commented on it as well, have started noticing lots of first time posters with very poor english, generally dropping links or throwing unsubstantiated accusations around...
5:23 pm on Jul 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I ain't got no problem with all yall's grammar
5:47 pm on Jul 9, 2005 (gmt 0)



Definitions of humor on the Web:

* wit: a message whose ingenuity or verbal skill or incongruity has the power to evoke laughter
* the trait of appreciating (and being able to express) the humorous; "she didn't appreciate my humor"; "you can't survive in the army without a sense of humor"
* temper: a characteristic (habitual or relatively temporary) state of feeling; "whether he praised or cursed me depended on his temper at the time"; "he was in a bad humor"
* the quality of being funny; "I fail to see the humor in it"
* (Middle Ages) one of the four fluids in the body whose balance was believed to determine your emotional and physical state; "the humors are blood and phlegm and yellow and black bile"
* liquid body substance: the liquid parts of the body
* put into a good mood
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

8:06 pm on Jul 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I take it you already know
Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble but not you,
On hiccough, thorough, laugh and through.
Well done! And now you wish perhaps,
To learn of less familiar traps?

Beware of heard, a dreadful word,
That looks like beard and sounds like bird,
And dead: it's said like bed, not bead-
For goodness' sake don't call it deed!

Watch out for meat and great and threat
(They rhyme with suite and straight and debt),
A moth is not a moth in mother,
Nor both in bother, broth in brother,
And here is not a match for there
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,

And then there's dose and rose and lose-
Just look them up - and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward,
And font and front and word and sword,
And do and go, and thwart and cart -

Come, come, I've hardly made a start!
A dreadful language? Man alive!
I'd mastered it when I was five!

T.S.W.

1:22 am on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In the preceding poem, the word "laugh" should most likely be "lough", but the poem has been copied so often with the word "laugh" in it that it is now generally accepted.

Trying to hang on to my scornfully delivered title of "erudite", which by the way, has a basis in the word "rudis", the root of the word, "rude". ;)

And speaking of "grammar", grammer isn't all that far off if you go back to the Middle English gramere and grammar school was a place where one learned Latin grammar, not English. Grammar is a glamorous word, and yes, there's a joke in that. ;) Tuck that into your grimoire. :)

10:03 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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And dead: it's said like bed, not bead-
For goodness' sake don't call it deed!

Lol! Obviously not written by a Scotsman... Mind you, that just emphasises the regional (global) variations in enunciation and phonetic interpretations encountered in speling.

As long as we are able to understand fellow posters, it really doesn't matter. Language is a living thing in many respects and the etymology of most words are forgotten to us..:-)

Syzygy

11:03 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt!
11:06 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey newkid, check THIS [webmasterworld.com] out.
11:21 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oops!

I guess its what one could call an evergreen...

6:37 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone in this thread heard of irony?

In my experience Americans don't do irony. All I will say is that if I was going to start a thread about the quality of grammar I would make sure that I spelt it right.

8:21 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>Americans don't do irony

Which? Socratic? Dramatic? Paralipsis? As in a trope? ;) In literature? E. A. Poe seemed to have a handle on irony. Donald Barthelme should be mentioned as well. I'm an American and loved Revolt of Angels by Anatole France.

Then there's the delicious irony of the great masters and the trifling, loosely defined irony presented here, with a simple spelling error.

Postmodernism is killing irony. ;)

12:30 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Which?

Ferricus.

11:10 pm on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Wm. Shakespeare walks into a pub.

The manager says to him, "You can't drink here. Get out - now!"

"Why?" asks Mr Shakespeare.

"Because you're Bard!"

Ferricus.

With irony (the study of ironing?), enunciation, etymology and 'post-modernism' involved in this thread, I consider that the inclusion of the word Ferricus is way too vein!

Syzygy

3:20 am on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Venal thoughts. ;)
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