European Search Engine reach?

[Giddion]

Hi,
Can anyone help me with an accurate list of popular German, French, Spanish, and Italian search engines and the reach each one has.

I’ve looked all over the place, but can’t find anything that gives an accurate percentage.

Thanks

[vitaplease]

check the links in these threads:

German speaking:
[webmasterworld.com...]
French:
[webmasterworld.com...]

[marlog]

Hi Giddion
The most popular search properties in Italy are:
(data: research.onetone.it november, 2002)
- search.virgilio.it (31,4% reach)
- search.msn.it (31,2%)
- google.it (28,9%)
- arianna.it (15,6%)
- google.com (11,9%)
- Yahoo.it search (9,9%)
- altavista.it (9,9%)
- directory.virgilio.it (6,3%)
- Tiscali.it Search (4,7%)
- Yahoo.it directory (4,3%)
- Supereva.it search (2,3%)
- lycos.it search (1,9%)
- excite.it search (1,0%)

[heini]

Great info, thanks marlog!

How reliable is this - how do they compile the figures?

[marlog]

Onetone works in cooperation with Doxa, the first market research company in Italy (they introduced in 1946 opinion polls in Italy).
Currently Onetone uses NetValue measurement technology, but in 2003 it will change to Red Sheriff. The audience (more than 4.000 italian websurfers, as i know) is measured through a meter installed on pc both at home and at work.
IMHO, these data are reasonably affordable:-)
(but i believe that both google and arianna reach data are underestimated)

[hetzeld]

This is the ranking in France for November 2002
with the market shares and the trends (related to previous month)

1 - Google 58.52 % (+3.07)
2 - Yahoo! 11.59 % (-2.07)
3 - Voilà 11.07 % (-0.31)
4 - MSN 6.90 % (-0.58)
5 - AOL 5.74 % (+0.3)
6 - Lycos 2.09 % (-0.54)
7 - Nomade 1.18 % (-0.15)
8 - Altavista 1.12 % (-0.05)
9 - All The Web 0.59 % (+0.42)
10 - Netscape 0.39 % (+0.04)
11 - Excite 0.06 % (-0.03)
12 - Hotbot 0.05 % (-0.01)
13 - Francité 0.04 % (-0.01)
14 - Looksmart 0.02 % (0)
15 - Euroseek 0.01 % (0)

Dan

[Rumbas]

Hi hetzeld. Welcome to WebmasterWorld.

Thanks for the numbers. Care to share where you got the data from?

Interesting to see both Alltheweb and Lycos up there in the top 10 though. Any ideas why they seem somewhat popular in France?

[hetzeld]

Hi Rumbas,

Thanks for your 'welcome message'!
Sorry for being late in replying but I was busy watching the GoogleDance :)

As I don't believe that URL posting is allowed,
I'll send you a sticky. Post it if it's acceptable.
Not sure it will help much as it's a french page ;)

I'm pretty confident in the figures as the panel of websites is quite representative of the local internet activity.

Dan

[cornwall]

Make your blood run cold...

To get the answer to Rumbas question on the source of the data, I went to Google and input a search for the first item on hetzeld's list - that is the percentage for Google of 58.52

What does Google list as second item - this thread and the post is dated 28 Dec!

It also gives the source ;)

[hetzeld]

Hi Cornwall,

Well done ;)
Was I wrong when avoiding to post the URL?

Dan

[Rumbas]

Hehe, Google freshbot, gotta love it :)

It should be pretty obvious where the data comes from then..
Thanks for the link, care to elaborate a bit on how this panel is compiled?

<added>Hetzeld, no that's fine, people will find it. We try to stay away from posting URL's on the board (dead links, self promo etc.)</added>

[cornwall]

Was I wrong when avoiding to post the URL?

I think that as in any area that involves human judgement, sometimes a moderator will remove a link, sometimes (particularly if it is buried and not commercial) they will leave it.

In the case of your post, it was quite easy to track down the source, and would have been no more difficult if you had posted the link and it had been removed. The difficult ones are when a specific link is posted, then snipped by a mod, and the thread becomes virtually impossible to follow after that!

Personally I would have posted the source as it would be a useful link, then left it to an overworked moderator to decide.;)

[cornwall]

Oh ... Oh. Rumbas posted at the same time as I did

I stand corrected :(

Write out 1000 times..."I must not post URLs" ;)

[Sinner_G]

Anyone has a clue what percentage of the Yahoo share is in fact due to Yahoogle in that kind of stats?

[Rumbas]

You're right cornwall. Sometimes we allow url's if they're crucial to the thread. In this case we've verified the source and it's easy to find. Let's leave it at that :)

Now, let's get back on topic with the threads title - European SE reach. So far, we have fresh numbers from Italy and France. Any fresh stats from some of the other big languages floating around?

[Rumbas]

>what %

Well, with Yahoo recently Going Google [webmasterworld.com] in most European countries, googles share of the yahoo numbers would certainly increase.

I don't have any stats handy, but it used to be a quite larger number of referrers coming from default searches compared to referrers coming from the directory cats. This adds even more to the google share.

[Rumbas]

From the recent Spain and Portugal [webmasterworld.com] thread, here's the lastest Nielsen reach numbers for home users in Spain:

MSN [ink](60%)
Google (53%)
Terra [fast] (43%)
Yahoo [google] (42%)
eresMas [google](36%)
Lycos Network [fast] (29%)
T-Online [fast] (28%)

It's Google territory, but with FAST breathing down their necks and Ink taking a good share through MSN. It's actually looking wide open, but what does your stats show - where are the traffic coming from in Spain these days?

Call for help!
Portugal [webmasterworld.com] is so vaguely represented in terms of stats on reach/most used search engines. Anybody out there with some nuggets about Portugal?

[sem4u]

Well here is a link to a list of Portugeuse search engines:

[searchenginecolossus.com...]

I think some of the links may be out of date though.

[hetzeld]

December 2002 for France (see my previous post for November 2002)

1 - Google 56.82 % (-1.7)
2 - Yahoo! 12.89 % (+1.3)
3 - Voilà 11.61 % (+0.54)
4 - MSN 7.25 % (+0.35)
5 - AOL 5.32 % (-0.42)
6 - Lycos 2.15 % (+0.06)
7 - Altavista 1.04 % (-0.08)
8 - Nomade 1.04 % (-0.14)
9 - All The Web 0.59 % (0)
10 - Netscape 0.49 % (+0.1)
11 - Francité 0.1 % (+0.06)
12 - Excite 0.07 % (+0.01)
13 - Hotbot 0.03 % (-0.02)
14 - Looksmart 0.02 % (0)
15 - Euroseek 0.01 % (0)

Dan