Germany - Deutschland: DIRECTORIES

14 directories

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Germany - Deutschland. Directories.
German search engine discussion here [webmasterworld.com]
Fact sheet [odci.gov]
Domain(s): de
Online population: 20,1 million (1Q/2001)
Native language(s): German
Understanding of English: Very high
Hosts in domain: 2,2 million (April 2001)
Pages in language: 37,5 million (April 2001, all domains)
Pages in domain: 37,6 million (April 2001, all languages)
Local presence required for domain registration: Yes
Multiple domains allowed: Yes
Professional help: See bottom of page

Known general directories: (excluding regional)

AllesKlar [allesklar.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: No, but must be about something German if not in de, at or ch No. of categories allowed per site: 1[/color Search technology: [color=#CE0000]? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: Mandatory Local domain: No Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: Yes, seems to be the most important Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Every site has location info associatoed (zip code, city etc.) Rank efter title.

Bellnet [bellnet.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: yes Local domain(s) only: No No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Business Suchdienst [business-suchdienst.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Cyber-World [phone-soft.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Dasi.de [dasi.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Dino-Online [dino-online.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: No No. of categories allowed per site: >1 Search method: Site + Inktomi
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: yes Other: ?

Hit-Net [hit-net.com]
Language interface: German, English Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Krusenstern [krusenstern.de]
Language interface: Russian Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Lupe [lupe.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Sharelook [sharelook.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Spray [spray.net]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Suchmaschine.com see Bellnet

Trampelfad [trampelpfad.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Web.de [web.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 38,5 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: yes Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Fast Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: Mandatory Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: yes Keyword in description: Yes, but less than title Other: Keyword in category most important, title 2nd, URL 3rd.

Web Archiv [web-archiv.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Yahoo [de.yahoo.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 30,5 million page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: Site + Google
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?

Local people who can help with translations and advise:

Ulrich Wisser, luna-park GmBH. Traffic analyses, SEO and translations into German. [e-mail]

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Updated 25 April 2001

Edited by: rencke

[wisser]

Hi,

what about Euroseek? Shouldn't we add them too? They have a native language interface to nearly all european languages. Their directory is ordered by language and by country. So they have a directory for a lot of the european countries. Maybe they should be listed in all countries?

regards,

Ulli

[rencke]

>They have a native language interface

Overworked my brain on this one. Big headache. The sepidered index is the same for all countries. The catalogue is ODP (I think). Front handles more languages than any other. Put them into Sweden or into all countries or into special category - Pan European Engines (there is one or two more). If all countries, I would have to do the same for Google and I think one or two more with one index and multiple interfaces.

It is a very good question, Wisser. Too good. Now I got an headache again. We'll have to think carefully about this.

[wisser]

Hi,

on the IMS I spoke to the guy from Euroseek and he told me that they get 10% of their hits from Germany and an increasing number from Poland.

I believe Euroseek and webindex must be treated the same. Beside that webindex is just using ODP data.

regards,

Ulli

[rencke]

>I believe Euroseek and webindex must be treated the same

I agree.

But I am more inclined to take webindex away from all places except their homeland (which?), than I am to add Euroseek in 37 countries. It was when I proofread all the prepared files and saw that I had webindex everywhere, that I got the headache.

[wisser]

Hi,

maybe we should open a new thread with multi-country engines?

[wisser]

Hi,

Please add bellnet [bellnet.de ] and make Suchmaschine(.com) as "frontend for bellnet". Locale language required: Yes locale domain required: No

Regards,

Ulli

[rencke]

German Directories have now been updated.

[wisser]

Hi Jan,

here comes Web.de

Language interface: German
Traffic volume: 38,5 mill unique visitors/month

Where did you get this number? I don't belive it (Online population 15.9 Mio.). I belive this number is visits not unique visitors.

Local language(s) required: Yes
Local domain(s) only: No
Search technology: as fallback Altavista (like Google in Yahoo)
No. of categories allowed per site: one (exactly)
Search method: (What does that question mean?)

Things that help ranking:
Local language: All sites are local language, so it can't help ranking
Local domain: ?
Keyword in URL: Yes
Keyword in title: Yes
Keyword in description: Yes (but less than title)
Keyword in meta keywords: ? (This is a directory)
Keyword in header: ? (This is a directory)
Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? (This is a directory)
Other: Most important is to have the keyword in the category, second comes title or URL, third description.

[rencke]

>Traffic volume: 38,5 mill unique visitors/month. Where did you get this number?
It is from oLeons post in the German search engine thread, but he didn't mention what the measurement was and I just assumed it might be unique visitors per month. That was probably wrong, I can see that now. I have posted a question for him, so we shall soon know. Will update Web.de during the next few days.

[oLeon]

What about Dino-Online? (It says it was the first german directoriy in germany...well, yes, why not...!?)

Okay, some data...

Language interface: German
Traffic volume: ?
Local language(s) required: ?
Local domain(s) only: No
No. of categories allowed per site: more than one
Search method: Site + Inktomi
Things that help ranking:
Local language: ?
Local domain: ?
Keyword in URL: ?
Keyword in title (of directory-title): yes
Keyword in description (of directory-description): yes Other: ?

[rencke]

The main entry for German Directories has now been updated with
a) The information on Web.de provided by Wisser and
b) A new entry for Dino_online suggested by oLeon.
Question: Should we really regard the Spray portal as primarily a directory or as a search engine, in view of the fact that they are now featuring Fast Search on the main page?

[Jaap]

Hej Rencke,

[fireball.de...] is also a German SE. Not in the list because it gets its results from Altavista???

[rencke]

Jaap: You will find Fireball right here in German Search Engines:
[webmasterworld.com...]
There are so many in Germany that I had to split the discussion into one for directories (this one) and one for search engines.

[oLeon]

Jaap,
just a note to hinder that you think Fireball.de uses Altavista-results.
Itīs not right - Fireball.de uses the search-technology Altavista-Search 3.0. In the normal (german-search) case you get the results out of their own database, only if you search after not-german pages you get Altavista-results.

[heini]

Just came across a small dirctory:
Vectrum [vectrum.de]
Vectrum is a brandname of Arcum. Arcum is a publisher of books about internet adresses and a content provider. Arcum has provided the adresses for evita, t-Onlineīs shopping portal, they have produced the german catalogue part of Infoseek. In cooperation with other sites Arcum offers specialised portal sites, for example a literature portal with Libri, who is a major player on the german bookmarket.
The general web-directory at Vectrum.de includes some 160.000 sites. Siteowners are given opportunity to add banners and screenshots to their listing. In which way the inclusion in this catalogue might increase the chance of beeing featured in their adress-books or their content providing I do not know.
Vectrum.de itself has rather unimpressive figures to offer:
Visits for 01-03/2001
Vectrum 36.334 29.477 41.338

Anyhow I have emailed them about inclusion of a site yesterday: will see what happens.

[rencke]

I have now updated the overview above with new statistics reflecting the rapid growth of the Internet in Germany and also clarified the rules applied by AllesKlar as discussed by heini in another thread.

[bjgrosse]

Howdy!

I hope you all are doing well this morning. (No headaches? :)

I've got a couple of quick questions:

You indicated that Web.de get's extra results from AltaVista. How come on a search for "cgi programming tips" (with the quotes), there is a FAST logo at the top?

How can I submit a site for inclusion on Web.de?

Thank you all in advance,
Benjamin Grosse

[rencke]

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Benjamin. I hope you will like our "University of Search Engine Optimization".

Web.de switched from Altavista to Fast on Feb 19th, which oLeon posted in the Fast forum on March 6 [webmasterworld.com]. But the info was not used to update the overview of German directories until today. It is now done.

Web.de's directory add url instruction page is here [dir.web.de] and Fast's i here [alltheweb.com]. However, I think that good tactics might be to let Fast find you via the Web.de human edited directory. Perhaps our German members can add some wisdom to this. If you can't read German, try to surf Web.de with the help of Altavista's Babelfish translator.

[heini]

Hi Benjamin
Web.de is a Searchengine and a directory.
If your site is indexed by FAST, it will be found in web.deīs websearch with a ranking similar to alltheweb or lycos. For inclusion in the directory you will need a site that is mostly in german. Must not have a dot.de though, language is the deciding factor.

[msgraph]

rencke, heini, wisser, oLeon

What's the scoop on suche.freenet.de? Just started to get some really heavy referrals from them. Who's their results supplier?

I'm getting a lot of good hits from english based keywords

Edit: Just found out it's Inktomi giving their results. But anything more about them?

[heini]

msgraph
congrats, I donīt get anything from freenet!
Never cared much about them, obviously a mistake. They are big as internet access provider. Freenet AG owns Dino, one of the prominent german directories. Their portal site offers, as you said inktomi based websearch.
Then they seemingly own "meome", another big portal, offering information presented by human guides.
Lotse.de as well as Speedfind.de also belong to freenet: minor directories.
About 10 special interest portals are also on the list.
About your referrals: an explanation might be, that you have good listings with ink,
which in fact I do not have...
<added>Strange thing is, I have some good positions for minor KW, which usually bring users in... but still only very marginal appearances of freenet in the logs. Wonder what other members might report...
About Freenet: it has grown over the last 6 or so months to beeing #5 of german portal sites! #1 is T-Online, #2 Yahoo.de, #3 Web.de, #4 MSN.de, #6 Fireball.
Freenet AG is a subsidiary of Mobilcom, one of the big players in german mobile telephone market, opting for using UMTS technology. There sure is potential in Freenet.</added>

[msgraph]

Thanks heini,

Not to get off topic too much but I think this is important since Inktomi does populate a few German search engines....

It's a real shame game with Inktomi. You don't see much results from them for months and then WHAM! you are listed really well in one of their partners 14 months after you modified and submitted the page/site. There is really bad wave effect with Inktomi. You list well in Hotbot then MSN then AOL then a search engine like this one. Just goes to show how much fresh info you can get from Inktomi eh?

But one good thing I noticed, coincidence or not, there are a lot of .nu domains listed including some of mine. So they don't seem to discriminate at all on freenet.de.

Back to the subject I guess Freenet.de isn't much of a benefit to anyone unless their Inktomi database pops you up on the list.

[heini]

>So they don't seem to discriminate at all on freenet.de.
Typically a search on a german combined directory and SE would present results in this order: first catalogue, then german SE-results, then international search.
With Freenet itīs first catalogue results, then international search. Since their catalogue has only some 300.000 entries, on searches for specific phrases inktomi results are displayed immediately. No preferences for german sites whatsoever.

[NFFC]

Looks to me as if the freenet.de results are run through Inks European filter.

[rencke]

Should Freenet be seen as a directory, rather than a search engine? I just checked it out and their category listings fill the front page. When you enter something in the search box top left, the first pages of search replies will be directory listings and only then - as heini pointed out above - will Inktomi results be shown.

I have no entry for Freenet in the German directories overview above and I guess there should be one, showing Inktomi as provider of secondary results, right? Anything else we should know about Freenet?

[msgraph]

They moniter click thru's?

Here is the referral line they supply off a user if it will help any:

[suche.freenet.de...]

[heini]

Rencke
In fact itīs a portal...
My suggestion: put it in SE thread. The directory is Dino, which is mentioned above.

NFFC
european filter? Iīm no expert on Inktomi results, so you will know better. There are anyhow lots of dot.coms in top ten serps.

I get the impression, that websearch is not exactly what freenet concentrates on. It seems to be just a service they feel they have to offer.

[heini]

Sharelook offers a paid inclusion option now. 198,00 DM (=~95$) for a 5 days express inclusion service.
Whom do they feed? Euroseek used their catalogue, they switched to ink. Excite.de uses them - but their future is uncertain. Sharelook results come up in some Meta-SEs, and itīs good for linkpop, but 198 DM?

[webby2001]

Perhaps another query for each directory might be if there is a pay per click or pay for review option? You might also want to include GoTo as not only are there some companies bidding on German keywords there but also they are likely to have a German language directory early next year.

Regards

Alan