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Privacy, privacy, privacy.
But most probably because most believe they have invented some very efficient - never seen before - SEO.
Furthermore some inventions might just be a bit too much for everyone's taste.
Do not forget:
Content is king, but its no use being the most beautiful girl in town if no-one can find you. (my validation of SEO and "la raison d'Ítre" of 80% of the threads of these forums?).
My other site got listed last night so they're adding again.
They don't appear to have any page rank except for the front page? Is this because the directory is not in google yet or are they keeping bots out of the directory?
Probably the first wouldn't you say?
Could you please explain the translation thing ... i submitted some of our german sites - after been rejected with a german title and description i resubmitted in english and they were accepted. But when i view the listing it's in English and not translated in my User and Browser Language German.
Allthough I see some Listings in german ...
With L$ effectively exiting this market (and in any case being irreversibly tarnished), I feel there is scope for another major player to emerge in this area to compete with ODP and Yahoo.
The quick turnarounds suggest that Euroseek are approaching this positively, and their appearance on this forum also demonstrates an enlightened attitude. Their directory layout is also very good. I have pretty good vibes about it and certainly wish them all the best.
Yidaki , the reason we want all titles and descriptions in english is will be lauching our translation software in the next week or 2 at the most. This will give the user the ability to choose the language they want and all searches will be translated into that language. This is why Euroseek wants all sites in one language. We will be adding a link to the submit form so you can transalte your titles and descriptions. So when a user comes to the site and picks french, all titles and descriptions will be transalted into french. They will be able to transalte the web pages also.
Napoleon, thank you for your support we appreciate it.
Any other questions or concerns please let me know.
We are having sites rejected that we submitted. The reason we were given is:
Your website already exists in this category.
These sites do not exist in the directory. The domain hosts many sites and they are all unique, so all we can assume is that you are not accepting sub-domain sites. Is this true?
A few questions for you, just to better understand the ontology you are applying (and its future developments):
a) I see that while you took the structure from ODP you don't have a World/ category. Should therefore a site in, say, Italian language be added with a title and description in English in the most appropriate topical (English, that is) subcategory ?
b) Should it be noted in the suggested description (and will it be shown in the published one) that the site is in X language ?
c) Am I therefore correct in assuming that an Italian language site selling blue widgets and a French language site selling blue widgets should both be added in the same Shopping///Widgets/Blue/ subcat, and both with an English title/description ?
d) Am I therefore correct in assuming that an Italian language site about Tourism in Piedmont and a French language site on the same topic should both be added in the same Regional/Europe/Italy/Regions/Piedmont/T&T/ subcat, and both with an English title/description ?
e) I see that related categories residing in different subtrees are not... related. Will you implement in the future some kind of relationship links (ODP style or whatever, like relating Shopping/Food with Shopping/Wine and vice-versa) ?
f) The "main page" is at euroseek.com, the directory startpage is at euroseek.com/cgi-bin/new/nav.cgi?cat= and that makes sense. The category path navigation bar in all subcat pages has the link "Home" leading to the root homepage and not to the directory startpage. Looking at the directory startpage and noticing that the category path navigation shows "Home >" NOT linked, I assume that *this one* was intended as the "homepage" for the directory navigation, and not the root one. A bug?
g) I understand the possible reasoning behind keeping the Adult hierarchy not linked from the main page of the site (while I don't fully agree with this decision -- but I'm not here to start an endless discussion about the pros and cons in doing one way or the other :) ). Why is therefore the Adult hierarchy linked from the directory startpage? Will this link disappear there or will it be added to the root homepage, too?
h) On the other hand, I don't understand at all the reasoning behind not linking the Kids&Teens hierarchy from the root homepage :) Will this link be added there?
i) Always about K&T (and languages). I see you have implemented a K&T/International hierarchy. Thinking "with an ODP mind" (sorry, got used to that...) this should be a place for K&T-friendly sites with content in languages other than English, which makes sense from an ontological point of view -- and actually, it is the meaning of the K&T/International hierarchy in ODP, which corresponds to the /World hierarchy. But noticing that you don't have a /World hierarchy I am somewhat confused (also relating to my questions a, c, and d). That is, I see at least some inconsistency in having X Language sites about widgets for children added in K&T/Intl/X/Widgets (which is good and logic, IMHO), and other normal X Language sites about widgets added in /Widgets mixed with Y/Z/W/...n Language sites on the same topic (which is confusing, since no matter how you translate title/desc, the final user will always have to wade through sites in different languages mixed in the same category to pick the ones he can read understand).
Uhmm... sorry for having been so nitpicky :)
It will be interesting to see if Euroseek is able and willing to undertake this great task of building a meaningful and well structured directory - and all of this without taking submission fees.
Another point I keep wondering about: translation software.
I have not come across a translation software that would be able to produce really meaningful proper translations. Perhaps the best free online translation tool out there at the moment is the one Google uses.
Now look at this: it's the main page of Yahoo.de [translate.google.com], automatically translated by Google. Note the category titles and subtitles.
Here you're targeting native speakers with machine translated copy. You better have sites and content in there not available elsewhere. The description would have to be very well translated to give the visitor any chance of using the results.
Here's another translated version of yahoo.de [fets3.freetranslation.com] translated by freetranslation.com. I'd say it looks fair, but the wording is pretty general and as you go deeper into more specialized cats using automated translation, the quality decreases real fast imo.
Seriously, machine translated copy is not the way to go, and we've had some good threads on it already.
In the "Translations will get you top rankings.." threads 1 [webmasterworld.com] and 2 [webmasterworld.com] we pretty much came to the conclusion that regionalized content is king, but only if it's done right.
1) some companies have taedn their time to manually translate websites into non-english language. This translation will undoubtedly be better than a machine translation (who does not fear babelfish & co tranlsations? )
Will there be localized (by language) variations of the dir?
2) What about content that by its nature is only interesting to a very localized geographic gorup?
Thanks for the great posts and great submissions. Our transaltion option will be out next week. As soon as I have a url, I will post it here. Lets have you try it and then see what you guys think. Some of you may be suprised. Of course we are aware you think it won't transalte well. Current turnaround time is about 10 days to get indexed in the directory. We are currently looking at launching smaller language and country specific directories also. I have a question for eveyone here. What do you think would be the best directory structure for a european search engine? How would you set it up. If anyone wants they can email - snip - , we will read the emails.
(edited by: heini at 9:09 am (utc) on May 30, 2002)
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