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Portugal
Fact sheet [odci.gov]
Domain(s): pt
Online population: 2,2 million (1Q/2001)
Native language(s): Portuguese
Understanding of English: ?
Hosts in domain: 156.800 (April 2001)
Pages in language: 8,73 million (April 2001, all domains)
Pages in domain: 1,3 million (April 2001, all languages)
Local presence required for domain registration: Yes
Multiple domains allowed: Yes
Professional help: See bottom of page
Known general search engines:
AltaVista [pt.altavista.com]
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
Sapo [mundial.sapo.pt]
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Google main index + ODP Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Reported to generate traffic for sites in Google's main index.
Voila [pt.voila.com]
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
Known general directories:
Aeiou [aeiou.pt]
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
Busca [busca.pt]
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
Cusco [web.cusco.pt]
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
Gertudes [gertrudes.com]
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
netIndex [netindex.pt]
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
Top5%Portugal [ip.pt]
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? No. of categories allowed per site: ? Search method: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Other: ?
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Updated 24 April, 2001
Edited by: rencke
"AltaVista's Portuguese site will index 1.25 million pages of local content, providing users with search technology that is dedicated to finding the information most relevant to their needs."
I'm based in Portugal but I'm a bit new to this search-engine strategy stuff. I've only just got my head round makijg web pages.
However, if you tell me how to get the info you need about Portugal, I'll do my best to find and supply it. For example, the general level of English is high: much higher than Spain, for example, because there's more contact with tourists, and TV, films etc are subtitled, not dubbed.
andyb
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"According to figures from Portuguese research firm Marktest, Sapo was the most popular site among Internet users in Portugal, followed by Yahoo and Altavista."
NUA [nua.ie]
plus there's a lot more of Lisbon now cabled with "bidirectionalality", with a large new area added last month
This may well account for the increase
Sapo
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: No
Cusco - Dead
netIndex - Provides results for one of the biggest portuguese portals: Clix.pt
Top5%portugal - Dead
Descobre.net
Language interface: Portuguese Traffic volume: 500.000 pageviews Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Has 2 options: SE or Directory Things that help ranking on the Directory: Quality of the site and Partnerships
Nuno Oliveira
(edited by: heini at 9:42 pm (utc) on Feb. 16, 2002)
Thanks for your updates. Bluelook, from your experience, what are the really important engines at present in Portugal? Is Altavista really still a major player?
What also would be interesting to know is are there any connections between portuguese engines and the Brazilian scene?
If so that would for sure incense some foreign interest in the portuguese internet.
The portuguese Portal Clix doesn´t have Google´s results. Their results come from a local Search Engine named Netindex.
Many many people, especially in Portugal, doesn´t know this.
Netindex is a mix of SE with Directory. It will search your meta tags, but all final results are evaluated by persons.
Sincerely,
Nuno Oliveira
Heini, thx for your welcome message.
Sorry for my Clix post. I wanted to post it on other discussion... don´t know how it end up here.
pt.altavista.com didn´t have the success that some thought it would have.
"Hi-Tech users" ( ex. University students ) like google.
Many Altavista users are "changing" to Google.
The most visited portals are ( with many million pageviews ):
Sapo.pt ( The oldest… uses Google Tech )
Clix.pt ( Use the results from a local SE: Netindex.pt As I´ve said, few people know this )
Iol.pt ( Used to have Google Tech… Nowadays it only has that free cobranded version )
Altavista.pt ( used to be only a free webhoster "owned" by the portuguese government )
Oninet.pt ( New portal, that has the same Ad. Agency has I do, but it´s supported by big Portuguese Companies )
Now here goes the next ones, with less visits:
Aeiou.pt ( regular Search Engine. Their search results could be better. One of the oldest PT SE )
Netindex.pt ( doesn´t have much visits, but it provides Clix´s results )
Gertrudes ( forgotten for some time, but now it wants to “come back” )
Busca.pt ( there isn´t much info about this one. I think that is a small SE )
Galileu.pt ( Small Search Engine )
Descobre.net ( My search engine. It has 2 years, and the number of visitors grows everyday. I have about 500.000 pageviews, but I could have 2 or 3 times more… If I had the time ( $$$ :p ) )
The main problem with Portuguese SE´s is that although we have plenty of visitors, we have a lack of advertisers. So the money to invest is short. I could have many more visitors, and be on TOP5 Portuguese SE, but I have to “waste” my time on other activities so that I can earn some money to maintain all these projects. Other problem is that in Portugal we have plenty of visitors ( the number of people that have Internet at home can fool you… many more people connects from schools and work because on the most part of the country we have to connect by dial up, and that´s pretty expensive ) but the most part is still afraid or doesn´t know how to buy online ( Fortunately this is changing ). So an important share of advertisers ( E-commerce Shops ), doesn´t almost exist.
Of course there is an important connection between Portuguese SE´s and the Brazilian Market. More than 80% of my directory is from brazilian websites ( from webmasters that sent me their url ). Many of them even thinks that it´s a brazilian site. The same happen with the other SE´s. Sapo prefers Portuguese local sites on their directory. This doesn´t mean that you won´t find one from Brazil… it also doesn´t mean that it can´t be deleted.
I tried to bring the PPC philosophy ( because I really needed money to sustain the site ), but it didn´t worked… at least for now. Advertisers are still investing mostly on magazines, radio and TV.
So this is a pretty difficult market to earn real money. At least for now…
If you need any help, advise or partner, to enter any of these markets, just let me know.
Sincerely,
Nuno Oliveira
Seriously, lots of useful stuff in it. It definately helps clearing up our view on the internet scene in Portugal.
>Of course there is an important connection between Portuguese SE´s and the Brazilian Market
So when you say that 80% of your listings are for brazilian sites, can we assume that portuguese search engines and directories get a lot of their traffic from Brazil?
(edited by: heini at 10:23 am (utc) on Feb. 17, 2002)
Many things I´ve said on the Portuguese thread could be said here.
For what I´ve seen, most of portuguese Altavista users are changing to Google.
Even portals that were using Altavista´s Search Results turned to Google.
Ex. Oninet.pt and Vizzavi.pt ( was known as Netc... I forgot to talk about this one on the portuguese thread [webmasterworld.com...] )
These ones give Google´s results. Sapo use Google tech to scan their directory and give results.
Just for curiosity, I´ve found a site, named Google.pt, that seems like it´s owned by Google, but thăt if you try to make a search on the right Searchbox, it will lead you to an f2s deleted free account.
It´s pretty dificult to register a .pt domain. It takes several weeks of paperwork and you must have that trademark. This is pretty strange!
If someone from Google read this, and reclame the domain ( the owner isn´t making anything with it anyway ), don´t forget to send me something on Xmas :)
Bye,
Nuno Oliveira
Nuno Oliveira
>can we assume that portuguese search >engines and directories get a lot of their >traffic from Brazil?
Altough some of the listings may come from programs like SubmitWolf, Yes, many of our visitors come from Brazil.
Nuno Oliveira
