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Germany - Deutschland. Search engines.
German directories are found here [webmasterworld.com].
Fact sheet [odci.gov]
Domain(s): de
Online population: 20,1 million (1Q/2001)
Native language(s): German
Understanding of English: Very high
Hosts in domain: 2,2 million (April 2001)
Pages in language: 37,5 million (April 2001, all domains)
Pages in domain: 37,6 million (April 2001, all languages)
Local presence required for domain registration: Yes
Multiple domains allowed: Yes
Professional help: See bottom of page
Known general search engines:
Abacho [abacho.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: No, only title
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Some Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Keyword density is important. Update reported to be very fast.
Abadoor [abadoor.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: Onle one page per domain, will not spider others. Similar to directory. Other: Max url length: 42 characters. Maximum 12 pages per domain.
Acoon [acoon.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: NO Search technology: Own Meta description used in search replies: Yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: yes Local domain: No Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: No Other: Keyword density is the most important factor. Flooding and repetition observed to be accepted.
Altavista Deutschland [de.altavista.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: AltaVista
Meta description used in search replies: YesThings that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: Yes Other: Link popularity. Theme based indexing. Date: Older better.
AOL [aol.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 3,9 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ?
Meta description used in search replies: ?Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
Belissima - see Abacho
Columbus finder discontinued.
Crawler.de [crawler.de] see Abacho
Excite [excite.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 15 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
Fireball [fireball.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 10,8 mill pageviews/month (research)/30 mill (own figures) Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Altavista
Meta description used in search replies: Yes Things that help ranking: Local language: Mandatory Local domain: No Keyword in URL: Yes, big. Keyword in title: Yes, boost if title=url. Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: No Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: No Other: Fireball reads additional meta tags indicating a.o. language, audience and subject. Info in help pages. Likes high keyword density and newer pages before older. Frequent submssion important. Links and link text important. Will index framed pages even if noframes tag i missing. Does not give preference to de-domain, ch and at work just as well. Submitted pages in index within 48 hours. "Spammers paradise".
Google Germany [google.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Google Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: German language front end for Google. Three search options: International (default), German language pages and Germany only.
Infoseek [infoseek.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: Germany's #1 search engine with 30.8 mill page views/month + traffic from T-online Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: Yes, and keywords too.
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Not much Keyword in meta keywords: yes Keyword in header: yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Also on main page of T-online, Germany's leading portal with 47,6 mill page visits/month. New look and functionality May 14. Has resumed indexing new pages.
Lotse - see Speedfind
Nathan [nathan.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
Lycos Deutschland [lycos.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 36,6 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Direct Hit + Fast Meta description used in search replies: No
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: no Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: No Keyword in meta keywords: No Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: Yes Other: Kwd on ALT-tags. Kwd location: High preferred. First three results from own directory, following 5-6 from DirectHit, rest from spidered index, a change to Fast is expected, but not implemented per Dec 1, 2000.
MSN [msn.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 3,4 million page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Inktomi Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
Speedfind [speedfind.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Own Meta description used in search replies: Yes, one line description, one line keywords, several line text from page.
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: No Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
Tigersuche [tigersuche.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Oen spidered index supplemented by secondary results from Altavista, Fast, Fireball and Google. Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?
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Last updated May 14, 2001
Edited by: rencke
In any case, it seems fair to say that Google may well have reached the #1 spot in Germany, although I find it hard to believe that they could beat Infoseek as long as T-Online has it on their main page.
more than six weeks ago I was talking here about my full erasure of pages from the infoseek.de index. I re-submitted all of my domains, only one domain per day and only the index.html. Still not one page is in the index.
It seems, that infoseek has a new spam policy since May. Anyone with the some troubles?
If not, I have to assume that I was deleted manually.
BTW: the spider seems not to have visited me after adding the URL.
thank you for your answer. The problem ist not, that the infoseek spider does'nt visit me.
It comes more than any other spider. But it does'nt index me.
But I'm a fool. Maybe the solution is easy: As I am working for a big company, the links my doorway-page are going to sometimes change. And I had in fact 11 not working links on every page (mostly obscure and useless javascript calls).
I elimanted them now and look forward to a positive visit ...
Ciao, Ica.
heini, google seems not to have had problems with the broken links.
Before Google spidered my pages, Infoseek.de was the most important referrer. I guess this is also because of t-online.
Maybe you dont have this big effort, if you working for a tech-company (t-online is rarely used by power users for search). Like amazon, my company is in a field, that contains many not technically affiliated customers.
Did I get you right: Google brings more traffic for you than IS? That would indeed support the latest figures.
About IS users versus Google Users:
I think that generally "web savvy" folks tend to use Google while beginners use IS, because of t-onlin of course.
But I get a lot more qualified traffic from Google for culture related searches, so itīs not only a tech related thing.
What about ranking in IS: Does it work for you? have any special receipts for them?
Yes, since some weeks I have lots of traffic from google, leaving IS far behind (even as it was before IS kicked me out).
Success at IS resulted simply in the normal doorway-page trick. But I am very careful: I dont use any tricks to build artifical content. I call it Search-Engine-Journalism (because I am originally a journalist). This means, I write the text on my pages 50% for the visitors and 50% for the SEs.
The big bang from google came, as I consequently pushed the links from external pages to my doorway pages. Those two concepts together worked very well.
So, does anybody in Germany need a talented SEO (working part time in this job since 1999)?
151.189.96.99
gigabaz/3.14 (baz@gigabaz.com; [gigabaz.com...] [webmasterworld.com]
Brainbot is a new german company with strong university connections currently collecting data from seemingly everywhere. From what I can see they are primarily aiming at building vortals to sell technology plus db to exiting sites. Example: www.medical-tribune.de [medical-tribune.de]
They have just launched an opensource vortal, www.geekbot.org [geekbot.org] indexing 11.000.000 pages.
Other vortals they built:
Sport(sports)
Gesundheit(health)
Deutschland(Germany)
Hochschulindex(University)
Those are all operated from their own site brainbot.com [brainbot.com], meaning: no buyers yet.
Still: looks like they have solid technology and a good scientific background. Their serps look good. Very active spider. We should keep an eye on brainbot.
- "surftipp" Top positioned listing on main category page. 800 EURO / month
- "Express Eintrag" top listing in a category. 150 EURO / year. Newer "Express Einträge" push older ones down.
For adult stuff prices are 450 / 6000(!) EURO.
The surftipp thing is very expensive, not sure if itīs worth the money.
A good listing in the often very long cats for 150 EURO...
Prominent Fireball cat listings can bring very good traffic.
Have you any experience with it?
I had a listing on the first page of the appropriate category plus a listing under : "aktuell". I can not find this anymore, I guess itīs abandoned in favour of the new paid listing options.
Anyhow: A top listing in the category has brought me good traffic. My category had some 800 entries. If you are not on the first page, itīs only good for google linkpop. So a first page listing
for 150 EURO/year is worth the money IMO.
The 800 EURO / month? Well, I guess youīd better have good conversion rates to justify that. I have no figures, but I would expect heavy traffic. Itīs very expensive, but then there are people who spend that kind of money easily on ads.
Nielsen / Netratings [epm.netratings.com] has it as
27,914,911
Mediamatrix / Jupiter MMXI [de.jupitermmxi.com] gives
34,2 Million
Figures account for people with access to the internet. Part of the difference comes from Jupiter figures incorporating access via Handy.
Still they give
19,5 Million with home PC access
10,5 with work PC access
adding to a total of
30 Million
active users
Nielsen offers
15,144,455 active users
Jupiter
24,6 Million
Jupiterīs rate of active users is much higher,
active makes 72% of the total,
at Nielsen itīs 54%. Probably a question of definitions.
Since both companies are known for high standards of measurement, I think itīs safe to assume the following numbers:
nearly 30 Million with access from a PC
of which a rough 20 Million actually use the internet.
Jupiter figures say that usage of internet is around 90% among the people having access via PC. But only 24% of people having access via handy use it to log in.
Averages of usage according to Nielsen:
- 22% of adults(16+) browsed the net in the last 6 months for information on products, 11% actually bought online.
- 17 sessions/month, each lasting 28 min.
- Time spent on a site: 18,31 min, per page 00,37.
- Only 25 different sites/month get visited.
The last figure concords with the time spent on the top sites:
#1 here is eBay with with nearly 90 min/per visit. Of the portal sites web.de leads with 34 min.
Apart from that Nielsen figures for top sites are not overly useful in this context, since they relate to properties, not sites.
Of the Top10, four are Internet provider with t-online still the leader, four are US based, AOL, Yahoo, Microsoft and eBay.
Abacho: Title, Content(<body>...</body> ), *Keyword in domain
Acoon: Title, Content, Heading tag
Altavista.de: Title, Content, Heading tag, link popularity
Amadillo: Content, (Case sensitive and keyword at top of page)
Blitzsuche: Title, Content, *Keyword in domain
Excite.de: Title,meta keywords, content, meta description, heading
Fireball: Title, content heading, link popularity (new)
Google: Title,meta keywords, content, meta description, heading, *link popilarity
Infoseek: n/a :-)
Lotse: Title, meta keywords, meta description,content
Lycos.de: Title, meta keywords, meta description,content
Notes
* = special emphasis
content = keyword density within body tags
Hope that helps
Regards
Alan
About excite, do they really use meta keywords for ranking? Itīs a rare thing nowadays... But then, how long will we have to care for excite?
With Fireball still one of the most important factors is freshness, as in newly submitted.
I certainly believe most engines read meta keywords, but wether they are a factor in ranking is another question. Google for example like most advanced SEs does not use them for rankin purposes.
The overview on top of this thread anyhow will soon be updated with the new info gathered recently.
Excite use total keyword density which includes meta tags so it can help to use keywords in meta tags. It certainly isn't the main criteria for high ranking though. Excite seems to like a good mix of all areas rather than one particular area. If it sees keywords in most areas of optimization, it likes it basically.
And I agree resubmitting to Fireball is an excellent way to keep a high ranking. Completely open to abuse of course, but then, Fireball isn't called "spammers paradise" for nothing ;-)
The thing with meta tags nowadays is that they are not used specifically for ranking purposes. No special weight is given to them. However, they DO contribute towards a total page keyword density in most cases, but only up to 2 occurences. One or Two is ok. More than that and probably all metatag keywords will be subtracted from the total density or in some cases trigger a penalty.
regards
Alan
