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Germany - Deutschland: SEARCH ENGINES Part 4

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rencke

4:14 pm on Mar 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Germany - Deutschland. Search engines.
German directories are found here [webmasterworld.com].
Fact sheet [odci.gov]
Domain(s): de
Online population: 20,1 million (1Q/2001)
Native language(s): German
Understanding of English: Very high
Hosts in domain: 2,2 million (April 2001)
Pages in language: 37,5 million (April 2001, all domains)
Pages in domain: 37,6 million (April 2001, all languages)
Local presence required for domain registration: Yes
Multiple domains allowed: Yes
Professional help: See bottom of page

Known general search engines:

Abacho [abacho.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: No, only title
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Some Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Keyword density is important. Update reported to be very fast.

Abadoor [abadoor.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: Onle one page per domain, will not spider others. Similar to directory. Other: Max url length: 42 characters. Maximum 12 pages per domain.

Acoon [acoon.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: NO Search technology: Own Meta description used in search replies: Yes
Things that help ranking: Local language: yes Local domain: No Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: No Other: Keyword density is the most important factor. Flooding and repetition observed to be accepted.

Altavista Deutschland [de.altavista.com]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: AltaVista
Meta description used in search replies: YesThings that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: Yes Other: Link popularity. Theme based indexing. Date: Older better.

AOL [aol.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 3,9 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ?
Meta description used in search replies: ?Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Belissima - see Abacho

Columbus finder discontinued.

Crawler.de [crawler.de] see Abacho

Excite [excite.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 15 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Fireball [fireball.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 10,8 mill pageviews/month (research)/30 mill (own figures) Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Altavista
Meta description used in search replies: Yes Things that help ranking: Local language: Mandatory Local domain: No Keyword in URL: Yes, big. Keyword in title: Yes, boost if title=url. Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: No Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: No Other: Fireball reads additional meta tags indicating a.o. language, audience and subject. Info in help pages. Likes high keyword density and newer pages before older. Frequent submssion important. Links and link text important. Will index framed pages even if noframes tag i missing. Does not give preference to de-domain, ch and at work just as well. Submitted pages in index within 48 hours. "Spammers paradise".

Google Germany [google.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Google Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: German language front end for Google. Three search options: International (default), German language pages and Germany only.

Infoseek [infoseek.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: Germany's #1 search engine with 30.8 mill page views/month + traffic from T-online Local language(s) required: Yes Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: Yes, and keywords too.
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Not much Keyword in meta keywords: yes Keyword in header: yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: Also on main page of T-online, Germany's leading portal with 47,6 mill page visits/month. New look and functionality May 14. Has resumed indexing new pages.

Lotse - see Speedfind

Nathan [nathan.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: ? Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Lycos Deutschland [lycos.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 36,6 mill page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Direct Hit + Fast Meta description used in search replies: No
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: no Keyword in URL: Yes Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: No Keyword in meta keywords: No Keyword in header: Yes Keyword in 1st paragraph: Yes Other: Kwd on ALT-tags. Kwd location: High preferred. First three results from own directory, following 5-6 from DirectHit, rest from spidered index, a change to Fast is expected, but not implemented per Dec 1, 2000.

MSN [msn.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: 3,4 million page views/month Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Inktomi Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Speedfind [speedfind.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: No Local domain(s) only: No Search technology: Own Meta description used in search replies: Yes, one line description, one line keywords, several line text from page.
Things that help ranking: Local language: Yes Local domain: Yes Keyword in URL: No Keyword in title: Yes Keyword in description: Yes Keyword in meta keywords: Yes Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Tigersuche [tigersuche.de]
Language interface: German Traffic volume: ? Local language(s) required: ? Local domain(s) only: ? Search technology: Oen spidered index supplemented by secondary results from Altavista, Fast, Fireball and Google. Meta description used in search replies: ?
Things that help ranking: Local language: ? Local domain: ? Keyword in URL: ? Keyword in title: ? Keyword in description: ? Keyword in meta keywords: ? Keyword in header: ? Keyword in 1st paragraph: ? Other: ?

Local people who can help with translations and advise:

Ulrich Wisser, luna-park GmBH. Traffic analyses, SEO and translations into German. u.wisser@luna-park.de

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Last updated May 14, 2001

Edited by: rencke

oLeon

5:35 pm on May 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

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okay,
I tried this one [lycos.de], and the description of the second result does show it!

BUT -
we have got definetly pages in the index of FAST, which wonīt listed in Lycos.de
So, what is it? A mix of searchresults? Does it mean that Lycos has updated its own results but not the new ones from FAST? I assume, thatīs the point!

heini

8:07 pm on May 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

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oLeon
interesting guess. That would explain why lycos.de still has a submit page as well as spider activity. All the new pages from my domains that appear in lycos have been submitted to lycos directly. Ranking on the other hand is pretty much the same as in alltheweb and web.de.
I will anyhow keep on submitting directly to lycos, just to make sure...

oLeon

6:45 am on May 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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very interesting, heini, unfortunately did I submit to Lycos directly but without any success. (only a half success: the spider came twice, but no indexing happened)

rencke,
may be should we add Google.de as a german SE? I know it has not a different database, but a german interface and a german address. And as we all know itīs really a big traffic-supplier.

oLeon

10:33 am on May 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Infoseek.de [infoseek.de] still alive!
A relaunch and an update at the weekend, I canīt believe it!

I saw some results from pages that were spidered from january untill april - and now you can see them appearing...
The date is written under the listings, and I guess all results that has been in the index before got the date 1st of january 1970.
(There are results with the date "12th may 2001" - !)

May be Infoseek.de isnīt that dead...:-))

NFFC

11:13 am on May 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>may be should we add Google.de as a german SE?

Looking at the current vacancies they certainly seem to have identified Germany as a key area for growth.

[google.com...]

heini

11:18 am on May 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Wow! Thatīs amazing news! And not only did they update but change the whole design, even functionality! The new version is a bit unstable right now, but anyway: who would have expexted this engine to renew itself?
Great!

oLeon

11:25 am on May 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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yes, indeed!
as Google said A, CH and D are a very large market, almost 100 mio people with german as native language, and an income almost as high as in the USA (even higher: CH!). a still growing market in contrast to the us-market.

when they go to Hamburg, I should visit them as a new neighbour...

[200 postings..will I get a price or decoration?]

Eric_Jarvis

12:19 pm on May 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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oLeon: "[200 postings..will I get a price or decoration?]"

or carpal tunnel syndrome?

I've got a student placement doing a set of figures for internet use for each language...I'd be surprised if Germany isn't at least pretty close to Spanish as number two Internet language

when we get the figures done I'll post it in a more appropriate thread

rencke

12:40 pm on May 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>[200 postings..will I get a price or decoration?]

Only my congratulations I'm afraid. My backstage lobbying campaign for more stars has borne no fruit yet. But I am not giving up.

Took the new Infoseek for a spin. Looks as if kwd in url and in title is really important, plus a fairly high kwd density in the description. Right? Anything else?

(Added Google to Germany overview.)

heini

1:18 pm on May 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>Looks as if kwd in url and in title is really important, plus a fairly high kwd density in the description.
Well I got only like 15 pages indexed up to now. Prior to infoseeks rebirth I had only an old version of an index page listed; now they picked up just some new pages. But: My rankings are surprisingly good: a #3 for a very competitive KW, some #1 for minor phrases. Of course the pages are not opimised for infoseek, rather for google and fast. KW densitiy overall is moderate: only one repetition in title, only one occurence in meta kw and meta descr.. KW densitiy in body is between 6-10%. Linkpop does not seem to count. Perhaps newly indexed pages are given a boost as in fireball, but this can only be established after some regular spidering cycles.
Anybody else?

oLeon

5:10 pm on May 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Infoseek.de recommends a sitemap which its spider will follow. And IS offers to generate a sitemap on its site: look here [infoseek.de] at the sitemap-generator. may be it helps - IS says that itīs enough to submit the sitemap, the new crawler "Marvin" will follow all links on the site.

Did anybody see a similar thing?

heini

10:36 pm on May 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Itīs a great attitude infoseek shows towards webmasters. They are really trying to be helpful. And it would be great if their crawler would really follow all the links in a sitemap. So far marvin hasnīt done so with my sites though I have them internally well linked. And of course there is a sitemap.
This sitemap tool infoseek is offering isnīt that useable anyway: you have to type in every single pages url!
Still Iīm quite happy wiht this new IS!

oLeon

7:56 am on May 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

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BTW: The last update of FAST around the 16th of may I can see in the results of Lycos.de

heini

9:44 am on May 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Yes, update at lycos.de
So finally lycos.de seems to get in synch with fast. Added to the rebirth of IS this makes good times for the german SE scene, right?

Mike_Mackin

4:01 pm on May 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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GoTo is heading to Germany in 2002
per GoTo

Since the launch of the UK marketplace last November, GoTo UK has delivered more than 120 million leads through its partnerships with Freeserve, Ask Jeeves and LibertySurf. They want to building on this momentum by opening the German marketplace.

They say that they will keep us posted.

Ica

11:59 am on May 30, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

first hello to all - I am new here, at least as a member, not as a guest.

I have big trouble with the change of infoseek.de. All of my doorwaypages (on seperate servers) have gone.

I did not us any of the known tricks, I made only normal, non-frame, interlinked pages, every page with different text.

Any similar experiences?

I will try to re-submit and tell you if it was successfull.

rencke

12:53 pm on May 30, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Herzlich willkommen zu WebmasterWorld, Ica. I hope you will like our "University of search engine optimization".

I have no personal experience with Infoseek.de but many others have, such as heini and oLeon and I am sure they have some idea of what might have happened.

I have however made a quick test, and it seems that keyword in url and/or page name, title and description is a very important factor. But on the other hand, that is not much change from before (see above). I did however notice one formerly top ranking site that appears to be gone. I will have to look into that a bit further to see what might have happened.

heini

1:13 pm on May 30, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hello Ica - welcome to the german forum!

Infoseek has obvously overworked their whole db, which was necessary due to the fact that it had become a web cemetery. I have heard of many people complaining their pages have been gone since. I wouldnīt care too much but just resubmit them. From my experience I can say that freshly submitted pages do not get penalised like in AV. My pages are all indexed for the first time and they are doing very well.

Jules

2:27 pm on Jun 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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beeing new as a member(though not to this topic ;-) i'd like to say hello to everybody and to direct your attention to a new german search engine: QualiGO (www.qualigo.de)

It employs its own spiders, has an index of more than 13 million german language pages form germany, switzerland, austria and liechtenstein. QualiGO relies on the award-winning technology of the swiss based eurospider company.
QualiGO just won the "Infobox 2001", the award of the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Informationswissenschaft und Informationspraxis (DGI) for its search technology and quality results.

there is no add url button, though, instead you will either have to "wait" until the spiders eventually index your page. or - you list your page yourself using the pay-per-click keyword auction on QualiGO. (you might know this typ of auction from search engines like goto.com)
so i won't have details on how to optimize your pages for QualiGO - bidding on your relevant keywords will prove much easier than the task of optimizing pages. Any entries with a keyword-bid display the "KlickWert", that is, how much the click is worth to the advertiser.

for the moment, QualiGO and its interface is restricted to german language, please keep that in mind. the technology supports all major european languages, so an expansion to other languages is possible.

myself i am associated with Suchtreffer AG, a leading german SEO company, who started QualiGO as a subsidiary. So if you have any questions about QualiGO please feel free to ask.

j-)

Jules Matern
Director Knowledge Management
jm@suchtreffer.de

Eric_Jarvis

2:51 pm on Jun 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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hi Jules

I've got a question...what will they be doing with German language sites for International organisations that use a .org .com .net domain and are hosted in a non-German speaking country?

we have one such, and as a charity are not likely to go the pay to register route...or will we get spidered via links to us from sites in Germany, Austria and Switzerland?

national boundaries are getting increasingly irrelevant on the web, and as webmaster of an international multilingual site the bane of my life is the country specific rather than language specific search engine/directory

heini

3:39 pm on Jun 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Welcome Jules Matern
it is nice to have representatives of SEs here in this forum!
You will have seen, that QualiGo has been dicussed here as the first attempt at a Pay-for-play SE in Germany.
When promoting your services you might want to add some info on QualiGoīs reach, visits etc, so that people here are convinced that bidding for KW would be a good decision. People like to know what they get for their money :)

Jules

4:01 pm on Jun 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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hi eric,

unfortunately, our spiders do not yet consider .org, .net, .com domains. we have plans to inlcude german language content on these domains as well, but there is no schedule fixed for that.
i don't mean to advertise this here, but the minimum account for the keyword auction is 25 EUR and since your content doesn't seem to be competitive, you can go a long way with just 0,01 EUR/click (the minimum bid).

QualiGO just started out the beginning of this year and is doing very well for such a young engine. but still, there is much to be done. I'll keep you informed when we start indexing international domains as well.

j-)

Jules Matern
Director Knowledge Management
jm@suchtreffer.de

Eric_Jarvis

4:27 pm on Jun 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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our reasons for not going pay for registration are not primarily financial...we are in a field where looking at all commercial is bad news

I'll keep my eye open for when you start adding .org domains...thanks...it's useful to get info from the SE side of things

especially since German is our third most used language

rencke

5:02 pm on Jun 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Jules.

As Heini pointed out, Qualigo has been mentioned here before:
[webmasterworld.com...] and also here:
[webmasterworld.com...]

With 2,5 million pages in German in the .com domain and God knows how many others in other domains (19.000 in my little country alone), it seems to me that the limitation in your spiders is a serious one, that will prevent you from giving relevant search replies. Don't you think that will impair your chances of becoming popular?

Edited by: rencke

Jules

8:22 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

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rencke,

you are right about the limitation - this is just our first step to "conquer the www" :-)). we think its a good idea to focus on a given area (like german-language domains), set up a strong basis and then expand. so, we don't mean to neglect .com/org/net.

in may - this is in reply to heini - we had 1.3 Million searches on QualiGO itself, increasing rapidly. at the moment, we are striking deals with various other platforms that will likely extend our reach by multitudes. looks like we'll be able to deliver something like 20 million searches by the end of july already. I'll let you know as soon as this becomes material

j-)

rencke

8:27 am on Jun 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Due to its large size the Germany discussion will be continued in part 5 here [webmasterworld.com].
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