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soapystar

12:37 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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anyone tell me where you can report abuse.cheating/spm on dmoz listed sites and whether it has any affect?..

tigger

12:42 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I would try the category editor

korkus2000

12:42 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What is the problem? You can always email a meta.

No URLs, please. Thanks. - Laisha

[edited by: Laisha at 5:15 pm (utc) on Aug. 10, 2002]

soapystar

1:08 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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the problem is i have a competitor that has broken every rule ever devised..multiple indexs optimized for different keywords..when i say optimized i mean no content just keywords....hiding text....multiple links all pointing to his real site but with different keywords...all images have alt tags with just keywords...multiple idential pages with different optimized titels..it just goes on..every rule brocken for over a year and not a single search engine or directory has picked it up..why do we bother to play the game?

korkus2000

1:33 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Here is a recent thread on reporting spammers that may interest you.
[webmasterworld.com...]

WindSun

1:47 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Most of those complaints seem to have nothing to do with DMOZ - it does not care about keywords.

fathom

1:52 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I would agree with WindSun, DMOZ and their editors are pretty thorough with listings with equality across the board.

soapystar

1:55 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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did i mention the multiple disguised entries in dmoz when u are suppossed to only have one?..well i reported it to a meta lets see what happens..also reported to google but if that thread is anything to go by..i might as well join the spammers...!!!!!!!!(not realy....not if it gets banned anyway!!!!!!!)

fathom

2:23 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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soapystar having multiple listings in DMOZ is not wrong.

Having multiple clients with as many as 23 listings is quite reasonable.

Your site can be suited for many categories such as regional listing, and

if software (for example)

Reseller Software
Academic Software
Educational Software
Science Software
Demonstration Software
Download Software
Software Developer
Multimedia Design

and the list goes on.

A re-direct is not exceptable however the chance of acceptance is also remote (unless you are the editor).

[edited by: fathom at 4:53 pm (utc) on June 25, 2002]

brotherhood of LAN

2:34 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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OT a little...I would watch what you define as spam to DMOZ. I submitted to it 6 months ago, and since then have requested to move it to another cat.

Whether it is due to me or someone else, I keep getting new listings, some of which are f'ing annoying! Some with www and some without - screwing me up in a google a little..........

I have 4 listings just now, maybe when I reach 10 I'll *try* to contact a human about it.

ettore

1:19 pm on Jun 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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soapystar:
please take the time to read the ODP Guidelines [dmoz.org], and should you still find that your competitor listings are in breach of any of the above rules, feel free to stickymail me with all information you have.

brotherhood_of_LAN:
>> I keep getting new listings, some of which are f'ing annoying! Some with www and some without

here too, if you feel that some of the listings have an incorrect URL, fel free to stickymail me and I'll look into this.

Quadrille

12:28 am on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>> having multiple listings in DMOZ is not wrong.

Oh yes it is; Normally ONE listing in a Topical category, and ONE in a regional category; possibly NOT both.

Any *more* than that is *exceptional* or oversight (easier than you might think) or abuse.

Interestingly, many such abuses come to light when the spammer requests an update - then the duplicate listing becomes obvious, and deletions can be made instantly.

martinibuster

4:24 am on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It's not unusual to have more than one listing. The topical cat and the regional is quite alright, as long as the regional listing MAKES SENSE.

Obviously, if you are a national ecommerce site like Amazon, for instance, then you can't sneak a regional listing for every state in the union.

But two listings in different cats IN GENERAL is not necessarily unusual.

fathom

5:14 am on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hmmm... this sounds bizarre? You means a 1000 page web site is only about "one topical category, and ONE in a regional category".

I guess if your a forum you don't have anything to do search engines, SEO, web design, or user interfaces.

I would think that multiple (exceptable) listings would give DMOZ users precisely what they are looking for, rather that searching in DMOZ so that they can search through another site since it is rare to find a site that really has only one topic.

But I could be wrong.

dcheney

5:24 am on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It might also be nice to allow more than 1 regional entry. For example, my main web site has information about all of the Americas and beyond (30 countries at the moment). I wouldn't expect to be listed in every state, but it might be nice to be listed under each country (under the proper sub-category, of course).

(I should mention that there are a number of pages geared for each specific country.)

martinibuster

5:32 am on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Cue the samba track and get Astrud Gilberto to the microphone: "Someone to admit my site, that would be very nice. A listing in every state, that would be very nice. So nice... It would be so nice."
:)

soapystar

9:54 am on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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what about the case where someone has a listing...say a town taxi site..where only the regional/taxi cat should apply..then they use two more domains to get listed in the same cat..even though the contact address is the same for all three..and where they are crosslinking..can they still have three listings?...and then list standalone pages that are pure spam in other cats?

satanclaus

3:29 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)



Sounds to me like someone broke Soapystar's rules not those of DMOZ.

I wouldn't say you should join the spammers but I would reconsider my methodology if I were you.

martinibuster

3:51 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm an editor at dmoz and I NEVER approve standalone pages that are spam, or banner farms for that matter. Pages have to have content, etc. just as it says in the dmoz submission guidelines.

Nor do I accept irrelevant submissions, which are an alarming number of submissions- which I attribute to people not bothering to read the definition of my particular cat. Highly annoying.

soapystar

3:52 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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ok now i understand why i never got any toys for xmas....eh mr santaclause?

what on earth r u talking about my rules and dont join them??...im asking if it ok!...my nearest competitor has cheated his way to the top of the search engine rankings and has cheated (i beleive) his way to multiple dmoz listings...ive kept quiet for a year because i figured he couldnt get away with it for that long...but he has!...so im asking if dmoz allows this sort of thing?...whats the your problem?...its not my rules that sets up 30 fake indexes with 50 links all pointing back to my own site...each index optimized for different keywords..then those words are repeated in hidden text..and in the alt tags of images....its my rules that allows him to use links from another for his entire content and still get that page listed as a standalone page at dmoz..or have multi domains in one cat all with the same contact details...i could go on but i dont see the point...i simply asked if its ok!!!!!!!.....did u have a bad christams santaclause?

soapystar

3:53 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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yes i know it was full of spelling mistakes.wheres the edit button?

soapystar

4:09 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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and yes i realise u r satan not santa!

satanclaus

4:22 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)



I've no problem at all I was only suggesting that you should rethink your model so that you're not beaten by clever spammers. You might knock this spammer down but another and another will most likely take his place. Develop something LEGITIMATE that beats their model instead of devising ways to get rid of them through complaints.

I only said it sounds like someone broke your rules because you're speak with so much enthusiasm/pasion/fevor/etc.

martinibuster

4:36 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A lot of these spammers spend too much time attaining ranking and not enough generating interesting and attractive content. Customers who find me often mention that they had to wade through a couple listings of cr_p before finding me.

At the end of the day, those guys/girls only end up making me look better.

soapystar

5:09 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i agree completley that at the end of the day you need real content,and i get into the top 1-30 for most keyword searches on google...but wherever i am he is always one or two places above me..simply because he basically has the whole dictionary repeated several times over in hidden text....i do think to myself that with all his tricks and cheating thats all it gets him,one to two places....and i think to myself..well if i just hide some text then i'll jump over him!...but no..i want a legitimate site!..so maybe i should relax..and forget it!.....it's just sooooooooooo annoying!!!!!!!!!!

rogerd

5:31 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Soapy, the issue of multiple links per site depends both on the editors involved and the diversity of the site. I've seen sites put up one page of content about a topic and get a listing in DMOZ for that page. Usually, though, higher level editors will delete those kinds of things when they find them. I think Fathom's example of a site being listed in so many VERY similar ways is something that could get blitzed if an editor ran across it and was feeling crabby that day.

It gets a little trickier if a site does have multiple truly major topics, say if the company makes both software and boats. I would guess that most editors would allow that. (Separating the domains might make most sense, of course.) The perennial questions are sites with lots of content areas. About.com is the biggest example, but there are other, somewhat similar sites that have garnered many listings.

Before you make a fuss about your competitor's DMOZ tactics, I'd suggest looking at the listings for reasonableness - has he really spammed the directory, or are there a handful of very appropriate listings for distinct topics/products? Also, do you know if your competitor is an editor of one or more of the categories? That can make a difference, too - he might be using editing rights to create these multiple listings.

There's a lot of judgment that goes into DMOZ editing. Say I own a site about camping (with an appropriate DMOZ listing), and put up a page of "10 tips for catching fish" - should that page be listed in Recreation - Outdoors - Fishing? Probably not... What if I create 5 pages of content? What about 20 pages of tips, a directory of 1,000 fishing locations, and 50 pages about fishing regulations in each U.S. state? At some point, I've got more fishing content than most of the people who DO have listings in the fishing category, and fairness both to me and to searchers would suggest that a DMOZ listing for the fishing content would make sense. It's drawing the line that's the hard part. (Similarly, what if I threw up 100 pages of public domain fishing info with the sole intent of spamming DMOZ and driving more people to my camping site? How many DMOZ editors would catch this?)

soapystar

5:55 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i understand what you are saying.But let me explain,apart from the actual search engine cheating why im annoyed.We both have taxi companies.I bought a new name for my site and asked the editor if i could change the target url to my new name.i recieved back a barrage of questions as to what was happening,ending with a lecture on how i can only have a one site listed.All i was doing was being honest that i had a new name and could my one link point to my new domain name.yet here i find in the cat. he has THREE domains listed,all with the same contact details,this is aside to the standalone pages which he has in seperate cats.For instance one page is about how you meet a driver at an airport.that has its own listing,its a single page from an already listed taxi site.I do now know if he is connected to the editor but his site is professionally optimized in advanced spamming and someone connected with the site is very internet aware.We are talking over 400 pages for his sites and this is just a taxi company!

Brett_Tabke

6:51 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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One site listed per category is very reasonable. Your beef isn't with us, it is with the ODP. Go talk to the next editor up. If no satisfaction, move an editor up...etc, etc.

soapystar

7:11 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i know my beef isnt with you...who said it was?...i started this thread by asking what was reasonable!!!yes..i have mailed the editor....heard nothing!..its not you is it?

soapystar

7:32 pm on Jun 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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and why r u telling me one site per cat is reasonable?...im saying he has three in one!!!
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