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mark_roach

3:34 pm on Mar 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I had the following referer in my logs yesterday:

[dmoz.org...]

The request was for a page already in the ODP, is this just an editor performing a routine check of their category or is it something more sinister ?

Hazza

8:32 pm on Mar 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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It just means that the editor clicked the link from the edit page, presumably checking the site routinly. I often do it, to check if the site still works, or whatever.

kctipton

1:22 am on Mar 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I'd love to hear why you think it _might_ have had a sinister implication.

Brett_Tabke

5:54 am on Mar 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I think mark was thinking it was someone editing his description or deleting his listing.

mark_roach

8:35 am on Mar 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>>I think mark was thinking it was someone editing his >>description or deleting his listing.

That's about it. Call me paranoid, but I had just had a mini rant in the ODP deep linking thread. So I thought the timing was a little odd. You never know they might have been looking for some more pages to add to the directory :)

mark_roach

10:56 am on Mar 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Just checked yesterday's logs. The same IP has been back with a slightly different referer:

[dmoz.org...]

They have now changed my description, as well as some of the others in the category. The description was bad enough before, but it is worse now. I mean who ever uses the word "progeny" in a search :) .

The editor also appears to have taken some of the links from my directory and added them to the category. I don't know whether to laugh or cry !

Does anyone have a recent RDF dump of the DMOZ data (I only need to look at one cat) so that I confirm that the links in question have been freshly added. I reckon this would support my case for a deep link if it were true.

kfander

6:32 pm on Mar 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Descriptions aren't generally written for the purposes of a search, but to accurately define the site. While a good description will usually include keywords, this is secondary.

When writing a description, as an editor, I am focused on using words that accurately describe the site in as few words as possible. I am not concerned with including the keywords that will allow your site to come up high in searches.

JamesR

6:45 pm on Mar 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>I am not concerned with including the keywords that will allow your site to come up high in searches.

Point well taken and understood yet ODP is a search tool. You can accurately describe a site while being so general that anyone actually looking for that great site will never find it and the purpose for even being in the directory has vanished. I think each editor needs to be up to par on the industry specific keywords of his/her category and incorporate them where appropriate. Otherwise, you start becoming like Yahoo which is very, very limited as a search resource. Lots of great sites listed but becoming harder and harder to find.

angiolo

7:43 pm on Mar 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I noticed that being listed in DMOZ is still very important: there are sites that have title and description not correlate with the best keywords (not too much "themed" with the site) that score fine in several search engines only because they are listed in DMOZ.

Angiolo

mark_roach

8:47 pm on Mar 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>I am not concerned with including the keywords that will >allow your site to come up high in searches.

kfander, don't misunderstand me, I am not losing any sleep over my description. It's just not worth it. However, nearly every other description in this category has the word "puppy" or "puppies" and what does mine have ......
"progeny" !

I do agree with JamesR though. I feel that sometimes ODP editors go out of their way to avoid using the obvious keywords to describe a site. It is almost as if they don't want some of the sites to be found.

Brett_Tabke

5:10 pm on Apr 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I've never understood why people stress out over their ODP description. The category *is* the description. There is so little to be gained from having just that one extra keyword in the description. I think it is far more important that the description read good and have a high "you know you wanna click me" value with out gimmicks.

vis

9:16 am on Apr 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Descriptions still matter.

While link popularity and AOL are still the major advantages of an ODP listing, Netscape, and all the other small partners around the globe which use ODP, will search by description as well as category.

Slightly smaller fry but it all helps.

mark_roach

9:30 am on Apr 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>>Descriptions still matter

Agree with you there vis.

If you have 100 sites in your category then they will all be returned for a search which uses the "category keywords". In order to rank well then you invariably need to have one or more of the keywords repeated in your description and/or an additional keyword in your description that is not used in many of the other sites' descriptions.

kctipton

11:56 am on Apr 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>>the purpose for even being in the directory has vanished

Not so. If you find your way to the category you're interested in, everything in the category is supposed to be relevant to that category. This will be true with or without a high placement in a search.

Brett_Tabke

5:36 pm on Apr 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

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The non-directory benefit is from the link, not the text. I completely disagree with loading up your description with keywords. The value is minimal. Google, Ink, and Fast, are all looking at the category name to classify sites, then they go out and spider it. googles is from the page rank of course, while fast, and Ink is a pure spidering of the target page. The only one you 'may' get a boost from is AOL.

It is still about content.

vis

9:15 am on Apr 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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My point is that given a choice between an ODP listing with keywords in the description and an ODP listing without, you should always try to get the former.

The question is not whether it has a minimal effect but whether it is significant. There are hundreds of sites which use the ODP data around the globe and will use keyword searches to produce results from the category and the description. Netscape is one of the major ones but there are enough smaller sites which give a significant amount of referrals.

Regardless, each of these small sites also gives a link-pop boost and here there is surely an argument that the surrounding description i.e. the context of the anchor text will be considered for topic relevance.

PrimeDNR

1:58 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)



Dear all,

I had the following referer in my logs yesterday:

[dmoz.org...]

This is the second time. Last time, I add my URL to the dmoz.org, but I still cannot get listed. Is there anyone please help me?

I want to be listed but is it my web page not good enough to be included?

Best regards
PrimeDNR, Newbie

korkus2000

2:02 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld PrimeDNR,
You should go to the catagory and see if you are listed because it takes several weeks for their search to update. If you are not there I think you should go over to resource-zone.com. You can get specific info on why your site is not being added.