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DMOZ - Fustrated submitting

         

JohnNovaNYC

5:52 pm on Feb 7, 2001 (gmt 0)



I have submitted to DMOZ on three occasions between December and January but have not received a response. My category has no editor so I tried e-mailing the editors in the upper catergory to see if I was doing something wrong, but have not received a response.

I do not know what to do anymore, maybe my site does not meet there standards. Can Someone help me please. I also understand on how important it is to be listed in DMOZ.

I did notice in my logs something from DMOZ, but it seems like they only looked at my main page and stopped there.

Fustrated Newbie :(

Laisha

6:05 pm on Feb 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WmW, JohnNovaNYC.

Check your StickyMail. :)

Steph

9:50 am on Feb 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I have the same pb, a lot of categories in french have no editor.
what can i do ??

dogboy

4:07 pm on Feb 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hey L,

I got the same problem too..... this happens everytime I submit.... wait a month, nothing, wait 2, weeks write an editor.... wait 2 weeks, nothing.... wait another week, resubmit... wait 2 weeks, write another editor...

I think they ought to let you see your number in that list, to let you know what your situation is.

....DMOZ BIZEX WHERE ARE YOU?

Xoc

5:52 pm on Feb 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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If there is no editor, volunteer to become one. Worked for me! I accepted my own submission after waiting six weeks.

Laisha

11:15 pm on Feb 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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When we first started, NewHoo had far more editors than unreviewed. I clearly remember panicking when a top level category had a total of 58 unreviewed. Those were the days when people instructed submitters to resubmit after 2 weeks.

Now, all top level categories have unreviewed numbers with 4 and 5 digits. I have run across submissions in rarely-trafficked pockets which have been there 9, 10, or even 12 months.

The fact that many people still resubmit after two weeks only exacerbates
the problem.

By all means, sign up to be an editor. As long as you are fair-minded, reasonably intelligent and have enough common sense to follow along with the community, you are welcome! :)

dogboy

1:12 pm on Feb 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

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"as long as you are fair-minded, reasonably intelligent and have enough common sense to follow along with the community..."

...I guess I'm out:) rofl

Brett_Tabke

1:16 pm on Feb 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I've probably submitted 200+(?) times to the odp in a wide array of categories. I can't remember the longest I've waited, but seems like two weeks is tops. I submitted one a couple weeks ago that was added within the hour (shrug).

wolfy

2:56 pm on Feb 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I think, that if you don't receive any answer from the editor you had better to submit the site to the category over yours in which you find an editor and make a note to him telling you submit htere the site because in the lower category no one edit.

dogboy

3:33 pm on Feb 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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... that is exactly what I did. Asked whether or not I should resubmit. I did not want 2 submits going through... and I didn't want to wait until someone signed up to be an alphabetical editor in a cat buried 4 deep. Now I am waiting...

malcom

6:06 am on Apr 7, 2001 (gmt 0)



about the french thing, when i use to edit in dmoz the majority of the editors spoke english, or english and some other language. But for the most part, the directory seriously lacked editors in the other languages. It was for this reason that they only recently added new staff editors to assist editors in non english language categories...

Aaron

7:20 am on Apr 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I agree with Brett, I got very fast replies, within 2 days.

But I guess it depends on the editor.

Brett_Tabke

6:55 am on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

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We've gotten so many questions about submitting around here, I thought I'd take a run at an article about it [searchengineworld.com]. If any editors see anything out of place or incorrect in the process, please let me know. Thanks.

rogerd

7:18 pm on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>>I accepted my own submission after waiting six weeks<<

Aha! Another example of DMOZ corruption. You should have made yourself wait at least four months!! ;)

luckynh

7:29 pm on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Brett_Tabke

That is a very informative page about getting listed in the ODP.

>We've gotten so many questions about submitting around here
VERY true Maybe you should have the ODP as a fourm of the week.

kctipton

9:19 pm on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Article could use a little proofreading, but it is pretty good. It's listed already at ODP, btw.

hello

1:17 am on Apr 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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dmoz is overloaded with submissions backlogged and not enough editors to list them in all the categories. and the meta editors stick there nose in other peoples categories deleting existing links and changing descriptions instead of helping out where it is really needed. its alot of power play going on. the problem is that when you apply to become an editor hardly anyone gets approved. there are alot of editors in there monopolizing categories and not wanting editors in there directories. they kick out affiliate links, but leave others listed. i agree there seems to be alot of corruption going on. (i know this, use to be dmoz editor!)

Laisha

3:22 pm on Apr 11, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Welcome, hello. You bring up a couple of points which I feel the need to address.

It is true that Dmoz is backlogged, which is why you often see editors recruiting. If only all of the editors we got were altruistic and capable, we'd be in heaven. However, that is not the case. We do indeed get many editors who join simply to self-promote, which takes the form of cooling sites with which they are affiliated, listing mirror sites, deleting keywords from their competition, or even deleting listings entirely. We also get some editors who just don't understand what we're doing. "Bad" editors need to be cleaned up after, no matter what their motives, and that detracts from time other editors could be using to add new listings to the directory.
Obviously, that is not acceptable.

Metas have many jobs, including "hiring" new editors, giving existing editors new categories, and investigating reported abuse. It is, in fact, the "job" of all editors to report abuse, which still isn't enough. Some abuse goes on for many months before it is discovered.

So yes, metas will often delete existing links and change descriptions, and re-list those links that should be in the directory. They also start the process which removes abusive (or just plain bad) editors.

Having said all that, I need to point out that this is not the appropriate forum for airing complaints about ODP. This is a forum about how to get listed in directories.

If you have complaints about editors or metas, those are properly taken up in the internal forum if you are an editor, or by contacting staff@dmoz.org if you are not. There are also numerous forums for ODP detractors which I am sure you can find using almost any search engine, but bringing them here is counterproductive both for your purposes and the purposes of this forum.

celtic gnome

11:53 pm on Apr 11, 2001 (gmt 0)



Well said Laisha. I have a question concerning ODP submissions: Is the policy of 'company name only' in the title strictly adhered to or are there exceptions?

Thanks,
the Gnome

Aaron

3:31 am on Apr 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I got a encouraging response from the editor after I submitted my website. Ans so I asked the editor of that category if there could be more than 2 editors in the same category,surprisingly he encouraged me to go for a higher level one because they were not many editors.

Okay, so I tried to be ambitious and went for it..

But my request to be editor was rejected. But at least they were fast and they gave a reason.I.e tthey didn't want to give a new editor like myself such a high level topic.

Fair enough, but I suspect the current topic I applied for isn't really "high level", it's looks that way merely because the editors were trigger happy enough to create new sub-categories, each with only 2 listings..

Just wondering do meta-editors consult editors of the relevant categories when deciding whether to accept new editors? Or is that hidden policy?

Is there anyway I can read more about being a dmoz editor and rules? Besides "the being a editor page"?

kfander

3:57 am on Apr 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>> But my request to be editor was rejected. But at least they were fast and they gave a reason.I.e tthey didn't want to give a new editor like myself such a high level topic. <<

When you receive such a message, it usually means that the meta editor who reviewed your application was inclined to accept, but felt that the category being applied for was too large or high in the category tree for a new editor. When there are subcategories, we'd prefer that new editors start there.

>> Fair enough, but I suspect the current topic I applied for isn't really "high level", it's looks that way merely because the editors were trigger happy enough to create new sub-categories, each with only 2 listings.. <<

That's possible. Sometimes subcategories are created for reasons other than a high number of sites, as when they are needed for @linking purposes. I really couldn't answer the specifics of the question.

>> Just wondering do meta-editors consult editors of the relevant categories when deciding whether to accept new editors? Or is that hidden policy? <<

While reviewing new applications, sometimes we do, but usually not. There are simply too many of them.

>> Is there anyway I can read more about being a dmoz editor and rules? Besides "the being a editor page"? <<

Reading and posting to forums such as this one is a good start. There are a lot of people here, many with good information. Don't be discouraged. If you were asked to apply for a deeper category, do that. Once in, with good editing and some honest work, you'll be able to move up soon enough.

luanee

5:50 am on Apr 13, 2001 (gmt 0)



hi, Laisha ..

i'm not very familiar with ODP policies so i have this question .. if a site was sitting on, say, the 26th rank for quite some time (about 3 mos. +), then suddenly drops about 20 levels down so that it is now somewhere in the 40s, what could the possible reasons for that be? do you penalize for submitting the site again when it is already listed?

hope you could enlighten me on this one .. :)

hutcheson

5:44 pm on Apr 13, 2001 (gmt 0)

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ODP doesn't do rank. The order in which directory listings appear is alphabetically-based; the order in which search results appear is deterministic but indeterminate. That is, they generally come out in more-or-less the same order but nobody knows why.

There have been some recent enhancements to the search algorithm. The new one is supposed to do everything the old one did, but it still does not introduce any ranking. Results are (differently) deterministic and indeterminate. That is, the order is consistently different from the old results, and nobody knows why yet.

Moral: the only semantically meaningful way of using the words "ODP" "search" and "rank" in the same sentence is like this: "ODP is not a search engine, so nobody cares that its search smells like rank roadkill."

As for punishing people for resubmitting sites that were already listed....I wish. But no, there really isn't any way to do it -- and if there were, we'd have the slimier SE Obfuscation professionals resubmitting their competition!

So go ahead and do what you must. But the morals here are better drawn from Aesop's "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'" and "The Dog in the Manger."