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Does DMOZ automatically reject editor applications

6:17 pm on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have filled out many, many applications for topics that I would be perfect for. The questions are answered in a very concise, articulate fashion and everything I put into the applications is well thought out and intelligent.

Even for the most tiny, obscure, geo-specifc category, like the tiny little town that I grew up in that has no editor, for which my dad is the town historian, etc.

All of them without exception get rejected.

I have a feeling that they just reject all applications automatically as a policy.

Has anyone heard of anyone being accepted as a new editor, say, in the past 6-8 months?

1:12 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Highly doubtful.

Here is one thread that may provide some insight on helpful tips:


It's all about he titles, descriptions & sites selected in my opinion.

Don't know how the application process works now for sure, but showing an ability to read and follow the editing guidelines is probably much more important than subject knowledge, being related to the town historian, etc..

6:00 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There are no automatic rejections.

The "State of the ODP" report lists hundreds of new editors monthly. Many of them are not the sort of people who would have found much of interest in a forum for commercial/promotional webmsters. So you may never have met some of them. (But it's not the presence of commercial interests that is fatal, it's the absence of OTHER interests. And that condition that has occasionally been seen even outside commercial webmaster forums. So you may have talked to some of them, but they may talk only about commercial interests here, and only about benevolent interests elsewhere -- as is reasonable given the forum charter -- so you may not know how many editors you already know.

Some general comments on the application process: (I haven't seen your application to know it, so can't comment specifically. None of this may apply to you; each bit probably applies to someone who will read the thread.)

In this day when so many unethical webmasters want to be editors with malicious intent, it is essential to fully disclose the websites in which you have a personal interest. (Almost everyone has them -- whether the interest is personal or commercial or social! The point is, can you lay aside those personal interests while you're on ODP property? (Honest people can handle such conflicts of interest: it doesn't take an advanced degree in philosophical ethics to handle, say, Walmart money and property, and not confuse it with your own! Just be prepared to approach the ODP the same way.)

It's always been essential to show that you can find listable websites that really belong in that category, and in which you DON'T have a personal interest. (Because that's what you're offering to do, and that's the main thing that editors do.)

Articulation is taken for granted. But there's really nothing in the application that gives a way of gauging "intelligence", and it's almost certainly not a good thing to try to impress the reviewer with your intelligence. "I am" is just flat irrelevant. Even "I can do" is pure speculation. "I want to" or "I will" is promising--so long as it's from a demonstrably trustworthy source. "I have done" is definitive.

The "standard" rejection letter gives a list of problems that frequently occur. The SUCCESSFUL re-applicant will find something on that list that he could have done better, THEN try again. (This may seem obvious. But you'd be surprised how many people stop with perfect self-satisfaction as soon as they find something on that list that they DIDN'T do badly in their opinion.)

The "self-description" is perhaps the least important part of the application. Some people with over-exposure to marketroid practices tend to think everything else is irrelevant so long as they can hype themselves enough. It isn't so. Accuracy and relevance in self-appraisal is critical. An inflated resume is worse than worthless: it's always a very bad sign when someone thinks that how good he thinks he is, ought to matter to anyone else. (On the other hand, it's always a very good sign when someone can point to something like ODP editing that he's already doing, or something like the ODP goal that he's already helping accomplish. THAT'S what a REAL resume is about!)

I think there are people who can't break out of the marketroid mindset, and who shouldn't be editing the ODP. There are other people who CAN faithfully deal with accurate information, as well as communicate persuasively. They probably CAN edit--once they figure out which they should be trying to do! I have no way of knowing which category anyone is in, until I watch them try to accurately transmit information. You may have no way of knowing which category YOU'RE in, until you try for yourself.

10:50 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Pfftt. I accepted three yesterday :).
11:50 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Suggestion: create your own links page with descriptions and then place it in side that Why you want to edit box with appropriate text.

Also check how many links can be found in subcategories, you might think that your applying for a category with only dozen links but it could actually have hundreds of links buried two-three levels deep so basically make sure your picking on empty/out of date/non-commercial/really small category to which you can add lots of websites* for your first application... and once you become editor you are on the way to fame, glory, riches, playmates... uhm wait your not, sorry I was surfing some other website. ;-))

*You'll need lots of edits if you want to advance to other categories - getting into DMOZ is easy part, getting more categories is much much harder. ;-)

12:32 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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in a word, no.

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