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Dmoz submission & keyword embedding query

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tantalus

8:55 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi I’m about to submit my site to DMOZ and want to make some final tweaks to my description.

My dilemma is whether to use Keyword Keyword (with space) or to use Keywordkeyword (which is a word in itself).

Currently my site is optimised for the first although I will be optimising for the second at some point in the future and it is essentially a better keyword to target although it has more competition :(

My question therefore is whether keyword embedding is supported and more importantly will this be picked up by the Google index and directory. Ie Keywordkeyword will produce Keyword 1 Keyword 2 & Keywordkeyword 3.

Any other tips and advice for the description would be most helpful.

Thanks in advance.

jeremy goodrich

8:57 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Use the one that better matches your site - for the title, and then describe the site accurately for the description. Keep in mind the ODP submission guidelines, and some categories have a 'description' which helps the submitter make sure they are in the right category.

And, trust me on this: if you submit & get the 500 server error, it doesn't always mean your submission didn't go through - one of mine that got that error did, but is still 'being reviewed' I believe.

One more thing: DMOZ doesn't care if you 'optimized' your site, they are looking for new & unique, valuable sites that surfers would enjoy to add to the directory. They don't care a whit about optimization. ;)

Terrier

9:06 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Get the Title right, don’t worry about the competition, just go for it.

tantalus

9:22 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks jeremygoodrich. The category that I am submitting to requires that I use my company name how much influence does the description have particularly in terms of G.

jeremy goodrich

9:25 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google (as far as I know) uses the links to pages, and the text in the links, aka, "anchor text".

The desription, in the ODP, I find helps surfers, but it won't influence Google as far as I know.

tantalus

9:33 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Brill. That's what I need to know.

Thanks Jeremy, Thanks Terrier.

g1smd

9:49 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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[dupe]

[edited by: g1smd at 9:50 pm (utc) on June 26, 2003]

g1smd

9:49 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Try not to use any of the words that appear in the category path in your listing when you submit to the ODP.

Additionally, you need to write a human readable description when you submit to the ODP. Keyword loaded descriptions are deleted and rewritten from scratch by most editors.

tantalus

10:04 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can I just ask the significance of avoiding words in the catergory path?

FYI i'm not loadong keywords just debating which ONE to use :)

jeremy goodrich

10:10 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>>Keep in mind the ODP submission guidelines

I mentioned this once above - let's not complicate it :) The ODP provides clear (though long winded, it's still good info) guidelines on how / what to submit.

Just read through those, and then come back here & post if they aren't 'clear as mud' for you.

tantalus

10:50 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The reason I was interested in this was because one of the words in my company name does appear in the catergory path and it would be nice to know the significance of this.

jeremy goodrich

10:52 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's why I mentioned the documentation there - also, some categories have a 'category description' which provides further guidance.

Really, until you read it & interpret it for yourself, the best all of us can do is give you our interpretation - some of the people here (like me) don't edit the open directory, and others do.

Then again, there are differing interpretations among their editorial staff, as well, so...:) Read, read, & then take your best guess.

hutcheson

11:57 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If your company name is "Podunk North American Widgets, Inc", you can hardly avoid repeating some of the words in Regional/North_America/United_States/New_Jersey/Localities/P/Podunk/Business_and_Economy.

So don't worry about it.

If your company name is "buy-all-your-widgets-here-for-all-your-widget-needs.com", chances are it won't be listed anyway, 'cause the editor knows how to evaluate the chances of _that_ being the name of a legitimate company, and some editor will know how to find the proof, too. So don't worry about that either, just be working on your business plan for promoting your site without an ODP listing.

The ODP rules are to forbid TITLES like, e.g., "North American Industries, etc. -- Widget retailers" (which is OK by Looksmart guidelines, but not by ODP guidelines), and, of course, to keep every single DESCRIPTION in, e.g., the "Widgets/Manufacturers" category from saying "Widget manufacturer in ...", which is a waste of perfectly good electrons and puts an unnecessary strain on our already overloaded hamsters.

The description should not mention what would be expected to be common to all or most sites in the category. It should describe what is unique to that site. (And, granted, for some categories, it's hard to come up with something that is informative and useful. Sometimes you fall back on "contains company information, product catalog, and contact information" -- which is generally true of all sites anyway.)

tantalus

8:05 am on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Cheers hutcheson...v comprehensive.

I'm gonna rewrite my description now and yes jeremy I will be reading the guidelines again!

Invaluable.