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lukasz

4:49 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I submied to Dmoz in march and waited for more than three months. Finaly yesterday someone from
[dmoz.org:8080...]
visited me an I assume it was editor. To my suprise, he or she has seen my home page then went to one of other pages and left.
Thats it?
Is it normal?
I thought DMOZ is supposed to review sites.
Is the anything I can do?

takagi

4:52 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Did you submit it to the right category?

lukasz

4:56 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, the page is in Japanese and I donts speak Japanese, however it was a clients decision and I believe that the best possible category was chosen, based on pages already included in that category.

SlowMove

5:01 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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is putting up an english version of the same page out of the question?

lukasz

5:09 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The language is not so relevant at it is a Japanese site submitted to Japanese category.

peewhy

5:15 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would think Dmoz has Japanese editors.

I got lucky and was listing in four days, but didn't receive notification that it had been accepted.

I'd say, wait and see, there is no point in resubmiting if you think the visit was a result of your submission.

takagi

5:26 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would say that for each language you can have a separate listing in "Top:World:<language>:<main category>:...:<sub category>" if you have enough content in that language.

Just checked and "Top:World:Japanese" has 50,424 sites listed in www.dmoz.org [dmoz.org] and only 1 in ch.dmoz.org [ch.dmoz.org].

That is still much better than the French pages which dropped from 78,447 to 67 in "www.dmoz.org" (although it looks the pages are still there and it is only the index that is incorrect).

skibum

6:39 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If the site is in Japanese, it needs to be submitted to a Japanese category that contains Japanese language sites. This is in the World/ section of ODP.

A Japanese site in Japanese submitted anywhere else will probably be deleted because the editor may not have the character sets installed or if they do, may have no idea what language it is in or the appropriate region to send it to.

If you are lucky it might get transferred to an appropriate World/ category.

hutcheson

7:14 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think there's some confusion here.

By "submitted to some Japanese category" did you mean "submitted to a category ABOUT Japan" (i.e. somewhere in Regional/Asia/Japan) or "submitted to a Japanese-LANGUAGE category" (i.e. somewhere in World/Japanese)?

The former is ONLY appropriate for ENGLISH-language sites (regardless of what the client says!) The latter is ONLY appropriate for JAPANESE-language sites (again, if the client says different they're just wasting their breath and your time. If they have trouble with the concept "the client is not always right", I suspect the story of King Canute would translate well into Japanese.)

Multi-language sites may be listed under every relevant language.

g1smd

7:43 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> A Japanese site in Japanese submitted anywhere else will probably be deleted because the editor may not have the character sets installed or if they do, may have no idea what language it is in or the appropriate region to send it to. <<

Ummm, no this should not be happening. If it is submitted in the wrong place, and not already flagged as being listed someplace, then the correct editor response is to try to find the correct place for it to go. The TLD part of the domain is often a clue (like .jp for Japan, and .th for Thailand, etc) to this. If no idea, there is a "Misplaced Sites" category the site can be dumped in, for some more knowledgeable person to tackle. At worst, it is left where submitted for someone with more of an idea to tackle. The incorrect response is to delete it (unless it is obvious toxic spam, or already listed).

peewhy

8:24 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is there a Dmox editor that could throw a little light on the subject - ah so.

steveb

8:52 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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lukasz, what you describe would be a reasonable thing to expect if the editor decided the site shouldn't be listed in foo/bar/widgets but instead in foo/blah/blodgets and that editor has no permissions to edit in the blodgets category. They would move the site to the correct category, and an editor with permissions there would look at it as normal. This is one reason why submitting to the proper category is important.

That might not be the reason, but it is one obvious one. Also, right now the edits that editors are doing are not showing up on the public side, so you could have been added. You could ask at resource-zone about it.

lukasz

4:52 am on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thank you very much for your responses. It helped a lot.
I was worried that it may have been dumped for good. After reading your responses it seems more probable that the client has chosen wrong category. So probably it will some more time to get listed. Thanks for you responses.

John_Creed

9:04 am on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Based on personal experience, 90% of the time when you get a hit from that URL and yet the site is not added to DMOZ...you submitted to the wrong catagory and your site was moved. Or your site was rejected.

But it could be any of 100 reasons. Maybe the editor looked at the site but is planning a more indepth review later.

You could always email the editor directly or simple inquire as to the status of your site at the resouce-zone.

peewhy

9:15 am on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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John_Creed is right, drop a quick query to the editor.

g1smd

10:03 am on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> You could always email the editor directly <<

Be aware that editors are advised to not respond to email from submitters, to avoid their mailbox filling with spam if communication turns nasty. In any case when you say email "the" editor, which editor do you actually mean? There is no way you can tell whether the listed category editor, some higher category editor tending the lower ground, or a direcory wide (Editall or Meta) editor actually looked at your site. The editor that you email might not actually be active.

An enquiry at Resource Zone is a far better option, then one of the many people who can access that category can let you have an answer. Use the Site Submission Status forum, but please first read the things in the Forum Posting Guidleines and ensure that you follow them.

peewhy

10:06 am on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'll take that back then... he says whacking himself over the back with a large wooden spoon.

takagi

3:40 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Also, right now the edits that editors are doing are not showing up on the public side, so you could have been added.

See also Did dmoz go backwards? [webmasterworld.com] msg 10:

The public side is a week old, and is "frozen". No changes are appearing there, and will not do so for another week or so. Meanwhile editors are still editing, and the edit side shows all the latest changes. This is a planned part of the upgrades and system changes.

DavidT

3:52 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In reference to the original post I don't see what is unusual about it. When my site was, I gather, reviewed and accepted I also noticed in my raw logs that the editor only went so far as the "profile" page and left.

coconutz

7:33 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> I also noticed in my raw logs that the editor only went so far as the "profile" page and left.

This could have been a second or third visit as well. The editor could have copied and pasted the URL to a new window the first time around. They may not have had a chance to complete the addition and needed a quick once over for a number of reasons.

peewhy

7:36 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ah! the plot thickens!

rfgdxm1

8:37 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>This could have been a second or third visit as well. The editor could have copied and pasted the URL to a new window the first time around. They may not have had a chance to complete the addition and needed a quick once over for a number of reasons.

I do this commonly as an ODP editor. In fact, the site owner from their logs may never know an ODP editor looked at their site. The reason is that I always do editing at the ODP using IE as my browser. Typically if a site has serious browser compatability issues it'll be that it works in IE only. Thus, I'll cut and paste the URL into an open window of Mozilla or Opera to review the site.

DavidT

11:23 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes I can see your points, I edit myself with multiple browser windows going. But in this particular case, not that it is terribly important, I get the strong suspicion that how I said it happened is true.

I know the editor who approved it, she edits very far and wide and gives an enormous amount of time and effort. She approved/moved about 15 sites into the cat in question on the same day, all with virtually the same descriptions "contains company profile, contact details, and product catalog". Strong scent of greenbusting or something like it. And the cat in question is in a very neglected corner, no one seems to put any effort or care into it, hurried, dutiful approves and deletes is about it.