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fashezee

4:59 pm on Jun 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My site has been approved within Dmoz, how long must I wait for my site to appear
within the Google Directory?

Is there any reason why a site would be listed within Dmoz and not listed within
the same category in the Google Directory?

jtbell

5:13 pm on Jun 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My site has been approved within Dmoz, how long must I wait for my site to appear
within the Google Directory?

At some point, DMOZ will make the updated directory data available to other users by producing an "RDF dump." I understand this usually happens approximately weekly, if all goes well.

At some point after that, Google will fetch a copy of the RDF dump and generate a new version of their directory. This used to happen about once a month. However, Google may be preoccupied with the huge changeover they are apparently making in their crawl/update process for the Web-search index, so it's anybody's guess when they'll get around to doing something about the directory.

As a data point, I have a site that was added to DMOZ at the beginning of May. It's not in the Google directory yet.

takagi

5:15 pm on Jun 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> how long must I wait for my site to appear within the Google Directory?

On average 2 or 3 months. DMOZ makes an RDF dump (making takes a week, usually done 1 time per month), Google takes that dump and after an update (used to be a 'monthly' update) the Google Directory is also updated. So the increase of the PageRank from that updated Google Directory is the following update.

> Is there any reason why a site would be listed within Dmoz and not listed within the same category in the Google Directory?

I saw some remark about the adult section of ODP, but for the rest there is no reason why it shouldn't show up in the Google Directory. (Maybe a 404 - not found?)

Cossack

5:16 pm on Jun 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The reason is one and simple: the ODP and Google - different institutions, and nobody can guaranty anything. Just hope that Google will pick up a fresh rdf of the ODP and use it to update their directory. From what I see - the last update (showing) done on 15-20th March. Nobody hears anything about how Google plans to use the ODP data in future.

takagi

5:23 pm on Jun 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nobody hears anything about how Google plans to use the ODP data in future.

GoogleGuy was rather positive that ODP data would be used by Google in the future in message 2 of the thread Some Q&A answers - GoogleGuy answers some questions from last week.. [webmasterworld.com]

Cossack

6:08 pm on Jun 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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takagi, can I quote?

It’s impossible to say what the future holds in this industry, but in my mind, it’s a good sign that the ODP is taking steps that will continue to improve its quality.

While the ODP is not owned by Google, why they need to comply with Google requirements? In my opinion, any search engine has more spam than the ODP, so probably search engines should be interesting in co-op with the ODP or build-up own directories (as it made in Russia, where Yandex search engine and directory have 50-55% and 20-25 %, Rambler 25-30% and 65-70% respectfully).

John_Caius

7:22 pm on Jun 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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msg 3 - you saw my comment, but a more enlightened ODP editor pointed out afterwards that all dmoz categories, adult and otherwise, *are* incorporated into the Google directory. In both dmoz and Google, the adult categories are not straight-forward to locate, for obvious reasons.

skibum

7:20 am on Jun 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Even after Google adds the site to its directory, it is taking a very long time for the category listing to show up in the SERPs sometimes. Here, its been about 3 months, the site shows in the ODP and Google directory but does not show as a backlink or in the SERPs.

Ever since this wacky never ending G update some recently listed sites in teh ODP/Google directory do not seem to be getting the credit they deserve.

hutcheson

8:32 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>While the ODP is not owned by Google, why they need to comply with Google requirements?

Google eats what the ODP cooks (because it's worth more than it costs) but there aren't any Google requirements for the ODP. Google isn't the health inspector; they just like to see the cook rinsing the lettuce before serving the salad.

Google and the ODP have very different (even incommensurable) approaches to spam control. It's not clear what Google could want from spam control that the ODP could do. Most likely they'll continue to use the links we publish, and ignore the reasons why we don't publish other links.

Cossack

12:26 pm on Jun 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hi, hutcheson :)

From what I see, Google has problems with spammers, especially related to keywords in domain names. I, like many others see them and have some ideas how to fix it, but why to share for free with a private company ;)?

Anyway, spam in the ODP is very different, - I just send you some ;).

skibum,

Google don't add sites to its directory, it uses the ODP data. At the present time - directory.google.com - looks like a reserve copy of the ODP. So, inclusion into the ODP is more than enough - Mr. Googlebot will do the rest ;).

g1smd

1:28 am on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> Google and the ODP have very different (even incommensurable) approaches to spam control. It's not clear what Google could want from spam control that the ODP could do. Most likely they'll continue to use the links we publish, and ignore the reasons why we don't publish other links. <<

Should the ODP ever have a closer association with Google than it does now, maybe there would be scope in producing two RDF dumps each cycle -- the normal one mirroring the current live ODP contents, and a new version listing all the junk that has been deleted, with a short "reason code" next to each (mirror, spam, p0rn, etc).

Google reputedly uses the normal ODP dump as a seed of the database of what to list. Maybe the new dump could be used as a starting point for what not to list.

kctipton

12:30 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You jest. Nobody's going to categorize the things they add _or_ delete. It's printed somewhere that no site is guaranteed a listing in the directory, period.

g1smd

11:02 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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