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DMOZ appeared in my log file

but site not yet listed

         

Adam_C

10:39 am on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just seen a DMOZ editor referer URL in my log files about 2 months after submitting, however the site isn't in the index yet.

If its been approved, shouldn't it go straight in?

Or do I have to wait a little longer?

nvision

10:45 am on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Adam - a DMOZ editor referral doesn't necessarily mean they have listed the site in their directory. Could be they've reviewed it but not included it for some reason. Don't despair.

I noticed one in logs for a site I manage shortly before Christmas and lo and behold, went to see why and the site was off the listing - I've written to enquire why as the site's been there for a year and frequently updated with no unfair play, but have not yet had a response.

steveb

11:09 am on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You should both feel free to enquire at resource-zone.com about your submissions where senior editors can answer questions about status.

Dynamoo

11:11 am on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It may have been rejected, published in another category, moved to another category for review, left in unreviewed for futher consideration (e.g. for deeper eximination of content, eligibility, adult material etc).

If you genuinely believe that the site is eligible for inclusion in the directory (i.e. unique content, not an affiliate farm) then the most likely answer is that it has been moved to another category and either published or more likely left for another editor to review.

creative craig

11:13 am on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I had the referer for three web sites at the begining of December with no listing as of yet!

Just gonna wait and see.

Craig

cornwall

5:34 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It may have been rejected, published in another category, moved to another category for review, left in unreviewed for futher consideration (e.g. for deeper eximination of content, eligibility, adult material etc).

You need to search through the DMOZ directory. Their index system will not show you if it is included (see other threads as to dated index searching)

Start with the category you submitted to (also look at the date of last edits there). Then try other cats that an editor may have felt were better homes for your site

Mind you it may be that it has been rejected no unique content, an affiliate site, or whatever DMOZ list in their TOS as being reasons for rejection.

If you have searched both the directory and your heart and feel that it may have been "lost" then do go to resource-zone.com and ask (politely does help there!)

startup

6:26 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Adam_C,
Make a copy of the stats that shows all the pages the editor looked at and how much time was spent on each page. This copy is nice reference material to have when one enquires about their site.

Laisha

8:07 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Make a copy of the stats that shows all the pages the editor looked at and how much time was spent on each page.

I can't imagine how that would have any bearing at all with DMOZ.

Can you explain?

startup

8:40 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes I will.:)

The log stats will show you how many pages the editor viewed. If the site is rejected and the only page that was viewed is the index page this is valuable information. I would pay very close attention to what could possibly be on that page that an editor did not like.

- Does it look like the editor got lost? Time to fine tune the navigation of the site.

- Was the site exited on a outbound link? Which one and why?

- How much time was spent on each page and which pages was the most time spent on?
The scanned pages didn't hold someone's attention or, wasn't what they were looking for. Page that were paid closer attention to are the ones you want to study.

A url can easily by "pasted" into another browers for a few reasons but, most editors have no reason the hide their presence on your site. Some techical problems may require the use of another browser to speed things up.

Laisha

8:56 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ah....okay, that makes sense! And I agree with it entirely!

I took you to mean that it was valuable information when you email the editor.

Thanks for the clarification.

rfgdxm1

9:11 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>A url can easily by "pasted" into another browers for a few reasons but, most editors have no reason the hide their presence on your site. Some techical problems may require the use of another browser to speed things up.

No, you don't understand how the ODP software works. The webmaster will see the ODP referrer only for the page submitted. That is because when the editor clicks on the unreviewed, the software check to see the site is there. However, the only way an editor can actually review the site is to cut and paste the URL in their browser.

startup

9:12 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You're Welcome.
I was referring to enquiring at the -zone. When feedback is given it is nice to be able to analyze it.

I didn't need to be corrected. Somethings should be kept private.

Bluesplinter

9:32 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No, you don't understand how the ODP software works. The webmaster will see the ODP referrer only for the page submitted. That is because when the editor clicks on the unreviewed, the software check to see the site is there. However, the only way an editor can actually review the site is to cut and paste the URL in their browser.

You've got me totally confused, here, rfgdxm1. When I review a site, I almost never "cut and paste".

cornwall

9:38 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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you don't understand how the ODP software works

Somebody might get drummed out of DMOZ for telling us what the funny handshake means.

I did not think you guys were meant to divulge trade secrets like that ;)

rfgdxm1

10:07 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>You've got me totally confused, here, rfgdxm1. When I review a site, I almost never "cut and paste".

What do you do? Click on the listing in unreviewed and open in another window? This can be done. However, if you do that the webmaster won't be able to see in the referrer that you are an ODP editor, as you are using your own browser.

>I did not think you guys were meant to divulge trade secrets like that

Nothing terribly secret here about how the ODP software works. And, nothing I posted could be used by others in a way that would negatively impact the ODP. The big no-no is to discuss the details of things that were discussed in the internal ODP forums, or by e-mail exchanges with other editors. Other editors might not appreciate that becoming public. And, in some cases such as abuse matters this getting out could be legally a problem.

startup

10:28 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Copying & pasting a url into a browser bypasses all the security built into the inhouse software. Do you have any idea what I can do with activeX?

rfgdxm1

10:32 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Am I missing something? How can you browser an entire site with the ODP software?

Laisha

11:38 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How can you browser an entire site with the ODP software?

ODP software basically provides a link to the submitted site. Just like a regular hyperlink.

Your browser goes there from ODP, and you simply browse the site.

rfgdxm1

11:49 pm on Jan 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Right. But this still would leave me all the risks of ActiveX, etc.

motsa

12:47 am on Jan 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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rfgdxm1, you've got me completely confused and I don't think I'm the only one.

I presume you're questioning how a webmaster would be able to tell what pages an editor had visited?

rfgdxm1

12:56 am on Jan 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Right motsa. All that ODP referrer shows is that some editor looked at how your site was submitted to the ODP. No way of knowing from that if the editor even looked at your site at the time, or if perhaps they just decided to review it later.

steveb

1:42 am on Jan 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"However, the only way an editor can actually review the site is to cut and paste the URL in their browser."

Well that's just completely wrong. There is no need to ever cut and paste.

rfgdxm1

1:57 am on Jan 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What I meant to say was that there was no way of visiting the site through the ODP itself such that one would be protected from AciveX, etc. You're right one can just click on the link and open in a new window.

hutcheson

5:15 pm on Jan 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>What I meant to say was that there was no way of visiting the site through the ODP itself such that one would be protected from AciveX

I'm still totally puzzled by this line of reasoning. "protected from ActiveX" is something that only the browser need be worried about. And I can visit a site either from the ODP, or by cutting and pasting, or by simply copying the URL, or by doing a Google search on that URL and clicking on the search result: but none of them have anything to do with protection from ActiveX (which I achieve by using a portable, secure, standards-compliant browser).

But your concern seems to be on the server side -- spotting the editing process (which, as has been mentioned, you really can't) First, the "edit-site" REFERER that you see is on a page fetch that happens BEFORE the editor decides what, if anything, to do. Secondly, for various good reasons, editors may access the site in a variety of ways (including copying the URL into another browser window) that, as an additional side effect, leave no distinguishable trace in the server logs.

If the editor lists the site, it may not be listed in the category you submitted it to, and DMOZ search won't find it until after the next RDF update.