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DMOZ won't add sites

Any problems with DMOZ not adding sites?

         

Sammy Jankis

9:47 pm on Dec 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The problem:

DMOZ won't add my sites to its directory. Sites submitted a month ago still have not been added to the directory.

Here's the background:

1.A month ago, when submitting a clients site to DMOZ, I got a message saying that the submission could not be fulfilled because DMOZ could not read my IP address. Looking at previous sites that I had submitted, I noticed that within the last 6 months none have got in (I know I should have noticed this before). I wander whether this problem has been continuing for a while and DMOZ only now got a message up to let us know.

2.To compensate, I submitted all the sites from another IP address. The submissions went smoothly but now, a month later, not a single site is in the DMOZ directory.

Advice on this matter would be gratefully received.

Thanks

SJ

Nick_W

9:51 pm on Dec 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Advice on this matter would be gratefully received

Patience. dmoz editors are busy folks and sometimes it can take months to get a site in.

PS: Welcome to WebmasterWorld -- a site search here or just reading through old posts will give you much on this subject as it has been discussed to great length many times ;)

Nick

cornwall

9:57 pm on Dec 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A month ago, when submitting a clients site to DMOZ, I got a message saying that the submission could not be fulfilled because DMOZ could not read my IP address

You will find this thread covers the whys and wherefores this question

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Sammy Jankis

10:03 pm on Dec 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks guys. The tips give me a game plan for future submissions. Not sure how long to wait before resubmitting the previous sites though?

g1smd

10:28 pm on Dec 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The ODP adds around 3000 to 4000 sites every day to the directory listing.

These appear in the category listings within minutes (sometimes a few hours if the system is busy doing other things).

Some submissions fail, and are placed in a "holding" category to be manually inspected (usually within a very few days), and then forwarded to the correct category.

Many sites are reviewed within a matter of days or weeks after submission, but others may take very much longer, especially in some of the more extreme spam-magnet or specialist categories.

The complete database of sites is also listed in the RDF dump, which will hopefully be produced several times per month when the current technical problems are fixed. The RDF is used to update the ODP search as well as made available to downstream users free-of-charge.

Downstream users re-update their copy of the listings, by downloading a copy of the RDF dump, from monthly to never.

Every resubmission pushes you to the back of the queue. A polite note to the category editor, or a higher level editor, may be much more useful.

Visit Thailand

11:37 pm on Dec 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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g1smd, could an email to the category editor not work both ways? I am always concerned with emailing them in case a) they are a competitor (I know they should not be) and b) They take offense to the email thinking I should be patient and submit the normal way.

motsa

11:57 pm on Dec 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Most editors will not be upset to get a polite message from a submitter. Just keep in mind that it may not have any effect (i.e. they may not review your site more quickly) and they may not reply to you at all. I know for me personally, sometimes I've replied to an email and other times I haven't....but I always read them.

g1smd

11:58 pm on Dec 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You don't have to say "Review/List MY site".

You could just say "Please take a look at Category X, where there are unreviewed sites waiting for some time".

In that way, all sites there should be fairly reviewed (well, they should be anyway, without that), but it is possibly a way to get the category looked at sooner rather than later.

I would not visit a category especially to pick one site out of the queue and edit it, but I would visit it to edit a whole bunch of sites in one go.

Sammy Jankis

12:40 am on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What happens in the event that a category editor quits and is not replaced? Does this happen? It would surely result in a huge delay in processing the submission.

ettore

12:46 am on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>> What happens in the event that a category editor quits and is not replaced?

No editor "owns" a category. Also, there are several categories with no listed editors, but this doesn't mean they're "unedited". Editors listed in higher level categories can edit in any category down their path, as well as editalls and metas, who can edit everywhere in the directory, or catmods who can edit in all categories within their node.

ExtremeExports

10:18 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I am new here, and I too, have submitted my site 3 times to DMOZ over the last 3 months and am still not listed! Is this maybe because the editor doens't like my site?

crunchy cajun

11:50 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Extreme,

The editor didn't dislike your site, the editor published it in Regional/North_America/United_States/California/Localities/C/Cypress/Business_and_Economy.

The site is not appropriate for the categories to which you have been submitting it.

ExtremeExports

12:21 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thank you Crunchy Cajun.
I thought I was submitting to the correct catagory. I submitted to shopping/autos/business to business/import export.
Our company imports and exports Vehicles. I don't understand why this would be incorrect. Could you explain to me why this wouldn't be correct? Thanks

crunchy cajun

12:40 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You could also try Shopping/Vehicles/Autos/Custom_and_Collector_Cars/ (or one of the subcategories).

rafalk

1:00 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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ExtremeExports, I don't know your URL so I can't comment directly, but the Shopping category is only for sites that offer online shopping.

If you don't offer a feature where a user can buy a product from you online, then you won't be listed in Shopping.

crunchy cajun

1:26 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What rafalk said is generally true, but there are a few exceptions, notably dirtectories and the classic cars section, which does include dealers and such which do not offer online sales. Because locating a classic vehicle can be quite difficult, it was decided that having them in Shopping/ would benefit the user. Whether the editors in that section will include the site is another issue.

ExtremeExports

1:47 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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They can buy online, but not with a credit card persay. They pay via bank wire.

[edited by: Laisha at 4:05 am (utc) on Dec. 18, 2002]
[edit reason] No specific domains, please. [/edit]

gimmster

3:28 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Looking at your site I can see why a shopping listing is a problem - there is no shopping - there are no products.

My understanding for Shopping listings is they must have products, prices, a way to order (order/payment method should be mentioned on the site), and you must deliver either to the contiguous US, or internationally.

Your site does not meet these criteria, and therefore is not listable there (I don't edit shopping, but this is what I understand the guidelines to be).

All I found was a form to say 'I'd like you to find a 1946 Studebaker and tell me how much it'll cost'.

:)

ExtremeExports

4:02 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>>My understanding for Shopping listings is they must have products, prices...>>>
To the above statement, we do have products for sale with Pricing. We have Cars in Inventory. It is a little harder with adding a "add to cart" or credit card acceptance button etc. to these products, being the fact that they will be exported to the international market. Freight, Insurance etc. would have to be added, and it is impossible to have a payment form or anything of this type on our site. But I do see what you are saying. But from my point of view, we are selling product, and do have pricing listed. I am pretty new at all of this, I've only been at it for 3 years, and don't know all of the ins and outs, so everyone's input is very important to me and is greatly appreciated. I just want my site to be found so we gain more business. I noticed the Business/Import Export catagory in Dmoz just now. Is it possible to submit a site for multiple catagories, or will I be penalized for doing this? How would I get my site listed in that catagory without being penalized?

chiyo

4:17 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We have submitted an educational site to dmoz 3 times to an educational category, and one time to it's parent category (guessing that the editor of that category may have keeled over) over 6 or more months.

Still not there, but we have patience and wait.

kctipton

4:18 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hey, it's listed and apparently in the right place considering the current content. Why keep arguing?

C_Zolan

4:23 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I submitted a site to DMOZ about 4 weeks ago. Now can't remember the exact category I submitted to, but a review of where it should be puts it in a category that is without an editor. Is there anything I can do, short of becoming the editor, to get the site listed?

While I just registered, I've been using/reading the great resources on this site for over a month now. Thanks.

character

4:38 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)



I also have been trying to get my sites listed in DMOZ but after three months nothing is showing up.

I first submitted my 'long distance' site and my 'calling card' site the first part of August 2002, and by the middle of September nothing and I read through their FAQ and it suggested I wait a month and resubmit, which I did. Then but the end of October neither site was listed on DMOZ. So I resubmitted them for a third time. I did sent one fo the two different editors an email in September, before my second submission, but it was never answered (it was a nice email).

As of this afternoon neither of my two site are listed in DMOZ. I have tried to search on just the domain name alone and still nothing. I have a over 50 pages out there that are listed on Yahoo, Google, MSN, AltaVista, etc. but nothing at all shows up for me when I search DMOZ for any of my sites?

I rechecked the submission category and chose the one where all of the other long distance providers are listed, and I did the same thing for my calling card site so I know that I submitted them to the correct category, but still nothing.

rafalk

5:48 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Both of the topics you posted about "long distance" and "calling cards" scream "affiliate site." The ODP doesn't list affiliate sites.

Dante_Maure

7:18 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Why keep arguing?

Now is that any way to welcome a new member? :)

I didn't see any "arguing". I observed a new member trying to sincerely understand the guidelines and policies which have a significant impact on their website. (and our own)

This is a community dedicated to the sharing of knowledge after all.

ExtremeSports has continued to ask valid and reasonable questions.

When, on occasion, I find a query distasteful I find it's best to just let another member that is feeling a bit more generous handle the reply.

Is it possible to submit a site for multiple catagories

Yes.

will I be penalized for doing this?

No.

How would I get my site listed in that catagory without being penalized?

It is entirely up to the category editor's discretion as to whether your site deserves an additional listing.

I would suggest submitting to the additional cat while being completely up front about your existing listing, and outline in your submission why you believe your site would be of benefit to ODP in an additional category. If you don't have a good answer to this question... don't bother. It's not ODP's job to help you get additional PR. Provide value to them and their users, and the PR is a bonus. :)

More on this subject here...

Legitimate Multiple Categories [webmasterworld.com]

Multiple DMOZ Categories [webmasterworld.com]

If you want even more perspectives on the subject, just use the Site Search [searchengineworld.com] for the term "multiple categories" and you'll find plenty more.

And by the way...

Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com] ExtremeSports. :)

[edited by: Dante_Maure at 7:32 am (utc) on Dec. 18, 2002]

rfgdxm1

7:32 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>No editor "owns" a category. Also, there are several categories with no listed editors, but this doesn't mean they're "unedited". Editors listed in higher level categories can edit in any category down their path, as well as editalls and metas, who can edit everywhere in the directory, or catmods who can edit in all categories within their node.

Correct. I'm a DMOZ editor of a cat far up enough the tree it is a Google PR7. Most of the subcats under me have no editors, which means editing them devolves to me. Not only can DMOZ editors edit in any category down their path, they are expected to. The problem is that the DMOZ has huge areas of cat space with no editors. My cat space has about 300 sites listed, but just one of the @ links outside my cat space has no editors all the way up to the top of the Health: tree, with over 65,000 sites already listed, and unrevieweds up the wazoo. That #@ link has over 500 unreviewed sites. Since this @ link is outside my cat space, I can't do anything about those 500 unreviewed. My cat space has all of 1 unreviewed, which I am ignoring hoping that the editor lower than me will deal with. If she doesn't, in a couple weeks I'll handle it on my own.

Thus, the reality is that if you have submitted a site to the DMOZ, if it happens to be in my cat space it'll be reviewed within a few days to a couple weeks. If you submitted to cat space that is drowning in unrevieweds, the answer to when it will be looked at may be many months, or even longer. Typically the cats with the worst backlogs are the commercial ones. Being an editor in commercial cats at the DMOZ tends to be a thankless task, and as such editors there can be scarce. I just looked at that @ link in my cat space, and I'd guess at least half those 500 unrevieweds are commercial sites. This probably explains why there is no editors. :(

ExtremeExports

7:44 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thank you Dante_Maure. I thought I had upset someone. I wasn't trying to argue with anyone (Sorry :-) I am new here and am not familiar with the etiquette. Thank you for answering my questions, it really helped me out a lot!

coconutz

7:54 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to Webmasterworld as well C_Zolan and Sammy Jankis.

I submitted a site to DMOZ about 4 weeks ago. Now can't remember the exact category I submitted to, but a review of where it should be puts it in a category that is without an editor. Is there anything I can do, short of becoming the editor, to get the site listed?

If you can remember the category that you submitted your site to you can inquire at the Resource-Zone in the "Site Submission Status" forum.

4 weeks is not really that long of a wait, but probably long enough that if you inquire at the resource Zone you may be able to find out if your site is still in the queue and approxiamtely how many other unreviewed sites are in this category.

If there's no editor listed for a category it does not mean that the category is not attended to. Check the date at the bottom of the category to see when it was last updated. If it's been quite a while, you can send an inquiry to one of the the editors listed one level up.

[edited by: Laisha at 5:26 pm (utc) on Dec. 18, 2002]
[edit reason] de-linkified [/edit]

Dante_Maure

8:13 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My cat space has all of 1 unreviewed, which I am ignoring hoping that the editor lower than me will deal with. If she doesn't, in a couple weeks I'll handle it on my own.

With only one site in the queue, why ignore it for weeks?

Dynamoo

10:21 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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With only one site in the queue, why ignore it for weeks?

It's called delegation, plus it gives the junior editor the chance to progress in the directory.. if the more senior editor keeps doing all the edits then the junior editor won't ever progress.

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