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Based on explanations from corresponding with Dmoz editors'...
The Dmoz "RDF dump" has not been working, "THOUSANDS" of websites HAVE actually been Added or Modified since the last Update.
The RDF dump will allow members of the public - with Licenses to "freely" download the ODP index if they agree to their terms.
It takes Dmoz one week to verify if the updates are successful - If not- the last udated date will again re-appear at the bottom of the search listings
There is a Dmoz url where one can check anytime to see if an individual directory has been updated.
[edited by: aaaaa at 6:15 pm (utc) on Dec. 9, 2002]
DB 1 = the db used to create the new RDF (0 operations per hour)
DB 2 = the editable DB (1000's of operations per hour)
I'm listed very high in the Google directory, but see very little traffic from this listing, and I would guess that this is the norm.
If you listen closely you could have heard the people at Netscape slap their heads and utter "DUH!"!
When I heard they were going to hand correct the database about a month ago, when they had 11 errors, I knew there was no hope.
I am moving on to crawling and creating my own directories...without attribution. I do not wish to be associated with such an irresponsible organization.
Possibly people who chose Google Dir or Dmoz represent a more "detailed" or "learned" searcher - so it becomes a matter of quality as well as quantity of visitors.
Good point - hadn't thought of that. I'm not expecting nearly as many from the directory as from the improved PageRank...but maybe the quality will be better. (Well, assuming they get the RDF working!)
I do not wish to be associated with such an irresponsible organization.
ROFL.
BUT...
I know it's not a search engine, but think about those search engines who failed to update for long periods of time:
Altavista, Direct Hit, Excite, etc.
Where are they now?
C'mon DMOZ! I'm pulling for you. Bring in the big guns! Get the help you need.
The WebSites that have been listed on Dmoz has shown a significant increase in "PageRank" and "Keyword Ranking"
on Google - ONCE GOOGLE GETS AROUND TO ADDING IT IN IT'S GOOGLE/DMOZ DIRECTORY.
Google is still crawling DMOZ even if it can't get the RDF dump to update its directory, isn't it?
It would be nice if Google's directory were up to date, but if you're concerned about having your sites found by the Googlebots and inheriting PageRank from ODP listings, the crawl should be all you need to worry about. (It does take time for crawler data to make its way into the Google index, but that has nothing to do with the RDF dump--that's just the Google index's normal lead time.)
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Dmoz has a FeedBack Page, I have sent them a link to this Topic - it seems to have save me HOURS of typing
The copy will have the same errors as the original; doesn't help does it? The RDF-producing script is still gonna fail.
>> When I heard they were going to hand correct the database about a month ago, when they had 11 errors, I knew there was no hope <<
You don't actually know exactly what those errors were and how they were caused. Believe it or not, I hand correct entries in the database all day long -- that is what editors do. The errors needing special correcting by staff all seem to involve URLs with special characters in them (if you look at [dmoz.org...] ); some of the directory uses ISO-8859-1, some of it UTF-8, and other bits under /World use many other encoding schemes. Maybe the original many thousands of errors were corrected using some sort of script, and rather than running a script again it was quicker to just hand-edit it.
>> Google is still crawling DMOZ even if it can't get the RDF dump to update its directory, isn't it? <<
Yes it does. Sites added at [dmoz.org...] soon appear in SERPs at [google.com...] but will not appear at [directory.google.com...] until they grab a new RDF dump from the ODP (they used to do this about monthly, so they have missed ~3 at this point).
>> aol/netscape thinks of its free offerings, one domain alias for DMOZ is [dirt.netscape.com...] <<
Hmm, can't remember what the t stands for, but the dir is for directory.<snip>
[edited by: NFFC at 2:01 am (utc) on Jan. 4, 2003]
[edit reason] As per TOS [/edit]
Sometimes the PageRank of the "Dmoz" Subdirectory is so high itself that the link cause a major major PageRank increase for the lucky WebSite that gets listed.
The trick is to get a close to the Major directory as possible every subdirectory down represents a PageRank decrease. (Dmoz) has a 10 PageRank.
I am wondering if a website that is listed ALSO gets credited for BOTH the Google (Directory) AND the DMOZ links.
which is why it can dramatically affect the ranking.
Ironically, google links to the Google Directory for Websites that are listed in Dmoz, but Yahoo links to the Yahoo Directory that it is listed on. Aol has the appropriate Dmoz links at the bottom of their Search Results.
The two sites I have with new DMOZ entries actually show backlinks from DMOZ (I added DMOZ on the their links page at the last second before the scan) but of course they don't show the extra line for the Google directory yet.
Patience patience I guess. -aV-
Finally, Once the sites are on GOOGLE/DIR take notice of your NEW PageRank (both on the toolbar and the one on Google's Directory) if you notice any significant increases - this may indicate how much an effect each listing has on your ranking.
Finally, make a note of the PageRank of Both the Dmoz & Google SubDirectory "itself" that and a particular WebSite is on.
I personally have found a 2 page jump for popular keywords,
once Google ADDS that Dmoz "description" at the bottom of the website's regular keywords. And, have noticed for Some Sites there are more visitors collectively from Dmoz and Google DIR, than from AltaVista Lycos, Dogpile etc.
Submitting a website AGAIN to Dmoz after some time has passed may be disadvantageous.
According to some editors it Puts the WebSite in Question to the Back of the que again.
Dmoz does have a helpful site that enables you to query editors about the STATUS of a submitted website.
They usually respond within a few hours - even if you tried emailing that catagory's editor and got no response. http://www.resource-zone.com/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=status
>Submitting a website AGAIN to Dmoz after some time has passed may be disadvantageous.
>According to some editors it Puts the WebSite in Question to the Back of the que again.
Technically, submitting a site again TO THE SAME CATEGORY simply deletes the original submission and replaces it with the new one.
This may help, if the new submittal has better description (from the editor's point of view) than the old one.
This may hurt, if the editor strictly reviews sites in order of submittal date (some always do; others never do) OR if you ask about your site submitted "6 months ago" -- if they see it was just [re]submitted yesterday, they may say "give us a break, hey? wait a month before asking!"
Don't worry too much about it.
Search database last updated on: Mon Jan 20 04:13:57 PST 2003
I have been getting the above footer under Dmoz search results for several days - however, the "actual" SEARCH results don't seem to bear this out!
"RDFs not pushed
RDF tags used in the current RDF files (2003-01-19)"
Another month? You're kidding aren't you? Where did you hear that mis-information?
The RDF takes about 5 or 6 days to complete each time, and often seems to be restarted about 2 to 4 days after the last one completed (whether it worked or not).
Sometimes the RDF exits without completing, but usually you will see some sort of output within 10 to 12 days or so whatever the outcome. There have been occasions when it was much longer, but this was because the ODP had major hardware and software changes that interrupted the usual timetable for many days.
www.joeant.com
www.backwash.com
www.goguides.com
wwww.zeal.org
www.hotrate.com
www.mavicanet.com
Many of these have pageranks of 6 or 7 and their links can help a website "collectively" as much as DMOZ.
Wed Jan 29 20:50:26 PST 2003
MANY NEWLY ADDED WEBSITES ARE NOW - FINALLY SHOWING UP IN DMOZ SEARCH RESULTS
[dmoz.org...]
RDF tags used in the current RDF files (2003-01-19)
However, these updates have not been reflected - YET - in Google's directory.
The Dmoz search has not been working dependably for days
The Open Directory search is currently under a heavy load. Please try back later.
Now their editor's forum is giving database error messages.
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Imagine this happening to Google or Yahoo with as much frequency - the owners should take this search directory more seriously than they apparently are.
[edited by: Laisha at 10:29 pm (utc) on Feb. 5, 2003]
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