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1)No or little content = no addition.
2)The more subject specific the web site or page, the better.
3)I can tell a mile away if the page is put up to make money or because it was a labor of love. So if your primary concern is to make money, itíll show on the page. I reject such sites.
4)Geocities sites are highlighted by DMOZ for regular review, probably because they tend to disappear. If you have a Geocities site, make sure itís updated regularly.
5)Do not submit more than two times for the same domain.
6)Long descriptions get chopped, always. The shorter the description, the better chance itíll be used as is.
7)If the siteís not posted in two weeks, send the editor a nice email. If the editorís a good editor, he or she would thank you.
8)Submit to the right category, or itíll be passed around like a burning coal until itís deleted by some careless editor.
9)Sites with its own domain are less likely to be rejected.
10)If youíve been deleted from the list, kindly ask the editor why. Perhaps the site was down when the links were reviewed.
11)Donít bother to ask the editor to change the description, it might just get deleted.
There are public forums for checking your listing status.
I wouldn't mind knowing a bit more about this, a quick search reveals this function is only available to editors as far as I can tell. I picked up a visit from DMOZ in my server logs a couple of months back, but haven't seen my new site listed yet. So I guess the 2 week listing period is up!
NeoSys, you didn't mention what happens if your category doesn't have an editor?
I am happy with how Google is treating me so far without any help from DMOZ. I'm starting to think DMOZ is doomed and I will stick to building content and adding features to my site rather than wait for the DMOZ seal of approval ;).
I missed your post. As a DMOZ editor (and a volunteer) I commend the job you do.
You are well within your rights within the categories you manage to enforce "your own understanding of DMOZ guidelines".
However, your subjective post reads verbatim, which DMOZ is not.
It all comes down to the merits of individual sites and individual editors.
Say what you like because what's funny is you yourself are giving tips when you're not even an editor. I am
For example, for any editor with Geocities listings, ODP will have them marked orange with a special mention.
[edited by: motsa at 4:52 am (utc) on Dec. 1, 2002]
I don't know if I would go that far. I would like to believe that the vast majority of ODP editors actually understand and adhere to the guidelines set up by DMOZ. I for one will put no weight whatsoever by the posts that Neosys have made (sorry, if it walks like a troll, smells like a troll, ect. ect.)
Having said that, I am troubled by an attitude that seems to prevail around the ODP in regards to trying to improve the directory. This thread [webmasterworld.com] is a good example. Time and time again I feel like a wall is thrown up to any idea that may have merit to try and improve what is clearly an ailing but fantastic resource.
Just once I would like to see a senior editor or meta or whatever say, "hey!, that's a great idea, lets try and get that done". Instead all I hear are excuses. The best damn directory on the web is ill. What a shame. :(
There are public forums for checking your listing status.
I wouldn't mind knowing a bit more about this,
Try resource-zone.com, they can give you information about your submission.
Two weeks might be fine if it's a small up to date category with an active aditor and not many submissions. But what about large categories with a backlog and more submissions all the time, plus the nearest editor several levels up? I have a site sitting in a queue for just such a cat and it's been about five months since I submitted. A higher editor updates the category occasionally and it's certainly not a case of someone 'not doing their job'. There just isn't anyone who's job it is. I'm not upset, I know it'll get to the top of the queue and reviewed eventually. But if I'd been given unreasonable hopes of two weeks before review then I probably would be upset by now.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but no one has proven any of my statements as false. It's all in the interpretation, and like our laws, can create dissension. Therefore, you can say my posts are worthless to you, but I do take offense to you calling me a troll.
but no one has proven any of my statements as false.
Will bow out of this discussion now, but before I do NeoSys, the manner in which you state your position suggests that your intend is not one of educating potential submitters.
Are your statements false? Obviously not in your categories, as you have free reign over these.
However, for your statement to be 100% truthful, you must have editorial power over all of DMOZ.
DMOZ branding maintains "humans do it better" not because of your suggested comments are correct, but because an unbiased assessment of the web sites content can be better than a mathematical equation for listing. Normally this is provided by an expert in that particular field (whether by topic or by region).
Unless you are versed in every field your status as a "senior DMOZ editor" reflects only a small group of categories within the whole of DMOZ.
Therefore, your position does not reflect all of DMOZ.
10's of thousands of other editors have their own personal (voluntary) views of their categories and DMOZ guidelines, and I personally don't believe all of these individuals are managing categories unethically.
[edited by: fathom at 5:39 am (utc) on Dec. 1, 2002]
Editors like myself are the ones adding, deleting, editing submissions on a regular basis...and so I have some expertise on how that process works. My posts may be abrasive for some. Heck, I even got a sticky from a mod to tone it down a bit, which I intend to do.
Sounds like a good plan to me. It's editors with bad attitudes about commercial sites that are a major reason I don't even bother submitting new sites, content laden or otherwise, to DMOZ.
NeoSys >> don't push your luck
I was an editor once myself and realize how much work it is. In fact, it was more than I could handle so I had to quit. Seems like too many of the ones that haven't quit are the power-hungry types ... gratified by having power more than caring about the community.
As for affiliate sites, there are people who spend a great deal of time assembling product information, competitive and comparative information and supplemental content for their affiliate merchants. These aren't your labor of love sites, but they're well received by surfers or I wouldn't bother putting them. They are an important part of the marketing program for many major and well-known companies. DMOZ editors who put on their blinders for well-designed affiliate sites, and I realize they run a witch hunt campaign for affiliate sites, are one more reason DMOZ doesn't even get a chance to look any of my affiliate sites anymore (Good you say! So be it ... it's your loss as well as mine.)
I've had my say ... EOM
1) Understand that not every submission will get listed and no listing is guaranteed to be permanent. Misunderstandings of these points create a lot of noise in forums such as this one. See [dmoz.org...]
2) If you'd write a description and title which fit within the guidelines found at [dmoz.org...] then you'd increase your chances of keeping those titles and descriptions intact when the site gets reviewed.
3) Submit to the single best category for your site (or maybe the best two). Don't submit to every category which contains some keyword you are in love with. (The "hot coal" analogy mentioned in the first post is very appropriate here.)
4) Classifiable sites are easier to review than all-purpose sites. All-purpose sites are nice, but more experienced editors are the folks who (probably) know best where to put them (See post 1)
5) Making money is fine, but affiliate links (and various kinds of ads) are tricky business. If they don't obscure/overwhelm the informational value of the site then the site is more likely (but not guaranteed) to be listed.
6) Some sites don't add a lot of value to the directory. See [dmoz.org...] hints at what is wanted and what is not.
7) Some types of sites have more specific guidelines. See [dmoz.org...] for some additional info. MLM, gambling, shopping, real estate and adult sites all have extra rules (and I think there are others). It never hurts to look at the category charter/description/FAQ before submitting your site to any particular category tree.
8) Contrary to popular mythology, it is very rare that your site is not listed because your "competitor" is editing in the category you want to be found in. I've been accused more than once of being a competitor in various areas of ODP all because I felt that a site should not be there. If I was such an active entrepreneur, would I have time to visit these forums?
9) Editors (and firstname.lastname@example.org) are not required to reply to any emails from you, but a lot of them will read and act on your writings. Try to be nice.
10) Keyword-stuffed domain names are red flags (to me). More scrutiny is appropriate (to me) for most sites which do this.
11) Please don't submit mirror URLs and URLs framing other sites. Just submit the "real" URL and make sure the content is worth listing.
Contrary to popular mythology, it is very rare that your site is not listed because your "competitor" is editing in the category you want to be found in.
Ooh, I totally disagree with this one!
My site sells widgets. The editor for the most appropriate cat is called "mywidgets". There's a "mywidgets.com" listed within the category.
My site is appropriate, full of content, not a link farm or anything spammy like that, but I'm not getting in in this lifetime.
"...it is very rare..."
1. backlogged categories does not reflect your "competitor" is editing in the category.
2. everyone knows that their site is... "appropriate, full of content, not a link farm or anything spammy like that" but at the same time we tend not to be overly critical of our own works.
Might be wise the have someone else look over your site with an unbiased and objective opinion before listing. Even if you need to pay $10 bucks to a stranger on the street, if they note something not quite right (from a visitors perspective vice the onwers) the investment would be worth it.
3. If indeed the rare occurrence that your "competitor" is editing in the category go up a level and email the editor above.
Bearing in mind that volunteers are just as busy as you and me, I'm quite certain if indeed a junior editor is being unethical they will be warned (if not removed).
All I can do is recommend you to read the current editing guidelines [dmoz.org] very carefully (maybe several times) before you do your next edit. You say that you're a long time editor, so that probably means that you joined before those guidelines were revised several times. As a consequence, your understanding of your own duties as an editor is severely out of date.
That doesn't mean that everything you say or do is wrong. If you review submissions in a timely fashion, then you're clearly ahead of many others in that regard. But there are other points where you are obviously unaware of what is really expected of you. And your attitude towards other editors who don't have the time budget that seems available to you is at best questionable.
Are you participating in the internal forums at the ODP? I doubt it after what you said here, and I would highly urge you to change that. You have openly contradicted the statements of about half a dozen well known and respected editors/editalls/metas in this very thread here, and the only name you recognized was someone who actually left the directory quite some time ago. That is an obvious indicator that you don't have a close enough connetion to the editor community of today and their constantly evolving views and discussions. But nothing is lost yet, you can still get back to being a good team member!
i am with the guy who said that once google drops them they dmoz be forgoten within minutes.
some points: there are alsmot no companies that their primarly goal isnt making money.rejecting site becasue they want make money is not good.i know you say that "if the site is full of affiliate links" but i have a feeling that you jsut follow the links and if you see that site goes to affilaite program at one point you reject it.
and the one that says "Donít bother to ask the editor to change the description, it might just get deleted.". there is no logical explanation for this! first - the editor PUT you in - obviosuly he thought the site was good. if you feel that description is not good you can ask to change it! why would you risk getting delted? you post is implying that you havethis "dont waste my time with changing description requests or you can feel the wrath of gods" mentality. Who are you? someone we should fear when submiting our sites? i am sure that majority of people have bigger fears when submiting to dmoz than when submiting yahoo(which costs $400!)
seeing replies here - even from other dmoz editors - i can say that editors like you give dmoz negative publicity.msot of your "guidelines" were critisized.
yes, you tried to help here but unfortunaltelly good intentions are not enough if the method/result is not good.
[edited by: JonB at 9:16 pm (utc) on Dec. 1, 2002]