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With browser spoofing by default set to IE, does anyone have any good stats as to how much of an in road Opera has made?
<added>this post may be better suited in log file analysis now that I think about it?!</added>
maybe someone else has some more hard facts.
i noticed mozilla is gettin real popular too :)
no.: reqs: %reqs: pages: %pages: Gbytes: %bytes: browser
---: ------: ------: -----: ------: ------: ------: -------
1: 223790: 79.40%: 67043: 67.55%: 2.43: 82.40%: MSIE
: 128611: 45.63%: 37394: 37.68%: 1.39: 47.15%: MSIE/6
: 89608: 31.79%: 27010: 27.21%: 0.99: 33.45%: MSIE/5
: 5515: 1.96%: 2588: 2.61%: 0.05: 1.78%: MSIE/4
: 16: 0.01%: 11: 0.01%: 0.00: 0.01%: MSIE/3
: 6: : 6: 0.01%: 0.00: : MSIE/7
2: 22113: 7.85%: 7890: 7.95%: 0.25: 8.52%: Netscape
: 11948: 4.24%: 4142: 4.17%: 0.13: 4.56%: Netscape/4
: 7520: 2.67%: 2757: 2.78%: 0.08: 2.88%: Netscape/7
: 2312: 0.82%: 844: 0.85%: 0.03: 1.01%: Netscape/6
: 299: 0.11%: 125: 0.13%: 0.00: 0.06%: Netscape/3
5: 6765: 2.40%: 3231: 3.26%: 0.05: 1.56%: Mozilla
: 850: 0.30%: 225: 0.23%: 0.01: 0.38%: Mozilla/1
: 448: 0.16%: 164: 0.17%: 0.01: 0.17%: Mozilla/0
9: 1289: 0.46%: 345: 0.35%: 0.02: 0.56%: Opera
: 887: 0.31%: 234: 0.24%: 0.01: 0.45%: Opera/6
: 336: 0.12%: 99: 0.10%: 0.00: 0.10%: Opera/7
: 66: 0.02%: 12: 0.01%: 0.00: 0.02%: Opera/5
I use Opera 7.03 spoofing MSIE 6.0 but my accesses are excluded from my Analog reports.
[edited by: WarmGlow at 7:52 am (utc) on May 27, 2003]
The question then would be how many Opera users leave the default values. As Opera users are normally more technical than the average, I would say it is not too high a percentage, but does anyone have hard facts (guess statistics will also be acceptable, although I wouldn't call them hard facts)?
Yes, many Opera users ARE more tech savvy than the norm, but this is exactly the reason many do in fact leave their Opera ID'd as IE6 (default). This feature is not merely for spoofing, but in fact serves several purposes including triggering certain built in features that will allow Opera to emulate IE's (ahem, unique) code interpretations. Another obvious use is to avoid site lock-outs for those still-too-numerous sites that sniff either for NN variants or IE variants, but ignore all others.
M$N.com itself was sniffing for Opera and serving errant style sheets that caused content to display improperly. This documented, intentional, misleading practice lead many Opera users (those with Opera set to ID as Opera) to believe the browser was at fault, and could not properly render M$ pages. Changing Opera's ID to MSIE6, miracously enabled the improperly rendered pages to render properly.
This, along with other malicious, frightened-by-a-real-browser response tactics was the moving force behind Opera's release of Opera Bork. The Opera Bork edition took those same M$ pages and translated them into the language of the famous Swedish Chef Bork character from Sesame Street. It was a hilarious bit of revenge!
M$'s true fear of Opera is the stiff competition Opera is handing M$ in the (Internet enabled)cellular phone market. Opera's small screen rendering is a groundbreaking technology (truly!) and eliminates the need for coding WAP, instead taking standard HTML pages and reformatting them to display on the growing number of small screen devices. Nokia, Erickson and others are all in the Opera camp.
If you have Opera 7, simply key "Shift + F11" to see small screen rendering in action. This is a "must have" feature for serious webmasters.
Biased? Perhaps... informed? Definitely!
famous Swedish Chef Bork character from Sesame Street.
Oh, I thought it was something from Star Trek...
Spoofing: There are indeed still some pages that do not render correctly with Opera ID, but I for instance usually surf as Opera and only change when getting to one of those pages. It is so easy to change, why should I not contribute to raise Opera usage stats?
More, with screen shots of popular phone models using Opera: [opera.com ]
Add Kyocera to the Opera camp as well... the list grows!
By the way, I keep my settings to ID as Opera. I find extremely fewer and fewer sites where I have any problems using this setting.
Personally, Opera is my favorite. It's fast, safe and has lots of nice UI features. The main thing I miss is the Googlebar (for checking PR). Also, for some weird reason all postings on this board keep being 'new'...
What is interesting, is that I'm finding a lot of Opera users who are not technical in background, nor particularly Internet savvy.
Buzz factor... cool skins, outrageous levels of customization, and all the "stuff" ignites little sparks on the consumer end.
In most cases it seems it could well be 5% plus of the market. If only 5% of Opera users change the browser string to identify as Opera and that makes up say (roughly) 1.5% of all browsers then the percentage of Opera browsers could be up around?25%?
If my out of practise maths are anything to go by...
No wonder stats are so skewed towards IE. Not only does Opera send an IE browser string, but also OmniWeb and Safari by default. I'm not so familiar with Mozilla and what it does but it certainly makes it difficult to determine how much of a hold IE has on the market...
I really wish I could say ALL the problem was related to legacy sniffer scripts, but unfortunately this is not the case. There are more than a few newer sites that are still coded as if there were only two main browser flavors.
Here is the real issue however.. IF you code for Web Standards, and use IE as your baseline, but check your code in a Standards compiant browser (Opera/Moz), then browser stats lose some of their importance. It will not be such a "do or die" issue... just one of simple user prefernce.
Here is the real issue however..
Not really an issue for me/us as our site doesn't push the boundarys of any particular browser, more of a curiousity since I love Opera (Win), am inclined to be anti-MS and I wanted to see how well Opera was tapping into the market. I appreciate your feedback though and do see your point papabaer.
I wish Opera defaulted to identifying itself as Opera.
Opera/7.10 (Windows ME; U) [en]
For Opera acting as IE:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows ME) Opera 7.10 [en]
As you can see, both strings contain the word Opera. It is bad sniffing if the second string is labelled as an IE string.
A good number of loggers do not track Opera properly. Including WebTrends, SawMill, Counter.com, and Fast/Mach5 as far as I know.
Brett_Tabke This is true but Sawmill (which I use) is believed to handle Opera correctly in virtually all cases from Sawmill v6.5 onwards.