Opera 7.20 released!

and it's kicking ass...

[bachius]

From the top of my head:

- Faster DOM/javascript and rendering
- BiDi support
- Much more stable
- M2 account selector + regexp
- Configurable middle-click
- Undo closing of page
- Inline search with . (text) or , (links).
- Configurable redraw-time
- Kiosk mode
- IPv6
- Smooth scrolling/scrollbar styling/marquee/blink
- Lots&lots&lots of bugfixes (13 betas!)

This one is great. Trust me. ;-)

[kaled]

The javascript on my site seems to work correctly now under 7.2 (Used to work on 6.x but failed on 7.)

Kaled.

[cdkrg]

Despite my negative experiences with AdSense I remain a fan of Google. But this is something I believe webmasters should eb concerned about.

While using AdSense Google's media bot was eating up dosens of gigabytes of data, my bandwidth was almost doubled.

I didn't mind it because I was getting paid.

But I'd prefer not to have an Opera user trigger a spider that profits only Google and Opera.

I believe that this is an irresponsible use of a spider/website and webmasters will start to use robots.txt to block the media bot (I won't because I have extra bandwith right now).

I wonder if Google is unwise enough to consider using their regular bot for the AdSense crawls. Webmasters would not be able to stop the AdSense crawling without removing themselves from Google SERPS.

Anywho, sorry to digress.

[amznVibe]

If Opera has Google adsense in use for their non-paid mode ads, I wonder if a Google toolbar with pankrank is a possible deal for them. I could imagine serious flak from the Mozilla fans if Opera got pagerank before Mozilla.

[MonkeeSage]

I still can't find out any info about these "action string" things... :\

Jordan

[Hester]

I see my latest layout now has a gap at the top! Something has altered somewhere in the rendering engine!

Also a form stopped working at work. Silly me - I'd left the wrong form type declaration in. Opera must be getting even stricter! (All other browsers ignored the error.)

Really, if your page is wrong in Opera, it's most likely your code that's wrong. Wise up guys.

[bachius]

The reason for why Opera7 is so configurable is that everything (menus, toolbars, buttons, skins etc) is stored in ini-files.

Have a look in the defaults folder in your opera directory, and you'll se all the default settings.

standard_toolbar.ini for instance contains all toolbars with widgets. So these "macro commands" is assigned to different widgets, and you can change them as you like. It's a very elegant solution...

This is a nice intro-page from Rijk:
[people.opera.com...]

[MonkeeSage]

Ah-ha! Thanks for the info bachius! :)

Jordan

[kyr01]

So, tell me if I fully understand this...
As a webmaster, I have no way to stop Google ads on my site, as long as they are delivered by the browser: am I wrong? Is banning the adsense bot the only left option if you don't want to show content-related ads?
I wonder if such a smart move from Google and Opera will not turn in a bad thing for the average webmaster...

[bachius]

Some more info & tips/tricks:
[nontroppo.org...]

[Hester]

Opera 7.2 seems to have introduced a change to the way borders and padding are dealt. Hence my home page is now too wide. Take a look at this page from the CSS2 Test Suite which demonstrates the problem. (Needs further investigation this!)

[meyerweb.com ]

Note the right border on the 2nd and 3rd tests.

[MonkeeSage]

I just found this as well:

[positioniseverything.net...]

Jordan

[HarryM]

Have now downloaded and tested 7.20. Big improvement over my earlier version which was 6.05. But still lacks stability in a complex DHTML environment, and mis-renders pages all the major browsers render with ease.

[amznVibe]

You know how IE and Mozilla let you right click for the page properties? Where on earth is this ability in Opera? I suspect it has to be there in a version as mature as 7.20 but I cannot find it in the menus for the life of me.

[sidyadav]

True , Nice find :) , I think Opera was too busy customizing their Menu's , Button's, Design etc. that they forgot to put it.

Sid

[RammsteinNicCage]

amznVibe, try right clicking and going to frame. Is that what you're looking for?

Jennifer

[sidyadav]

I don't think he means that, I think he means that try right clicking on this page with IE and go to "Properties" , It shows you the pages info with the:

Protocol:
Type:
Connection:
Address (URL):
Size:
Created:
Modified:

Anybody knows where that information of a page is in Opera? (I think thats what amznVibe means)

Sid

[amznVibe]

I don't think he means that

You're right, that wasn't what she meant ;)

I don't think Opera has a "page info" feature, but it should be easy enough to write a bookmarklet to do almost the same thing. I can whip one up today at some point. Was just very surprised they don't have something so easy to do internally.

[sidyadav]

You're right, that wasn't what she meant ;)

Oh, Sorry ;)

[bachius]

Info for a page is in the hotlist (F4).

It's hidden by default, but just right-click on the hotlist-buttons and check "Info".

[amznVibe]

Doh, found it... strange its so hidden!

Opera is also the only browser that reports the true gzip content size and not the decompressed page size - though it would be nice to have both (fortunately I wrote some php to determine both :) )

Just went to the opera site and found some of the other optional panels as well. Nice little collection but its no match to the number of panels available for IE and Mozilla. Oh well.

Now if they just had contenteditable for rich textareas, I could almost use Opera on a daily basis... maybe when they get to 7.50 ;)

[edited by: amznVibe at 3:13 pm (utc) on Sep. 27, 2003]

[bachius]

So "Info" is not a checkbox option when you right-click the other buttons (for instance "Mail" or "Links")?

[TGecho]

>> So "Info" is not a checkbox option when you right-click
>> the other buttons (for instance "Mail" or "Links")?
It is on mine.?

As far as I can tell Opera's only major flaw is Javascript support. Since I rarely if ever use JS... it doesn't bother me much :)

In order of predictability/reliability/accuracy in rendering (IMO):
Opera
Mozilla
Safari
Netscape (but when it breaks, it really breaks)
IE6
IE5/Mac (really quirky for some reason)

[aevea]

I'm having a little problem with 7.2 not over-riding imported styles with embedded styles. It only seems to do it after a manual reload. Maybe I've done something wrong, but this page seems to have the same problem:

[meyerweb.com...]

(I hope this url is alright, respected authority.)

Check it out with Opera 7.2 and then hit reload. I never noticed 7.11 doing this.

Adam

[RammsteinNicCage]

Hmm, I checked out the page and I didn't see anything wrong, then reloaded and it looked exactly the same to me....

Jennifer

[aevea]

weird, maybe its just my system.

Adam

[claus]

..features:

- BiDi support
- M2 account selector + regexp

what is this? Well i know about regexps, but what on earth are they doing in a browser? And what are the acronyms?

[MonkeeSage]

"BiDi" is BiDirectional encoding for languages like Hebrew that use right-to-left characters.

"M2" is the internal mail client (I believe), so I assume the regexps are for filtering rules or something to that effect, but that's just a guess.

Jordan

[bachius]

"M2" is the internal mail client (I believe), so I assume the regexps are for filtering rules or something to that effect, but that's just a guess.

That's correct.

[claus]

Thanks :)

Now, a mail client.. why is it that the alternative browser manufacturers of this world insist on including a mail client (or newsreader for that matter).. it's just like "hey, we've got a real cool spreadsheet here, let's just include a word processor, people will like that - they're both office tools, right?"

Just rambling, please ignore ;)

[TGecho]

Hey, you can make the mail client "disappear". It's not that big :)

Actually I kinda like M2...