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I am wondering if YPN is planing to let international webmasters ever join their network?
I guess Adsense is making some decent $$$ from internatinal webmasters
My guess is late 2006, September at the very earliest.
They said last year that Direct Deposit would come in Q2 2006, but now that's unlikely as other things have come to be more important. I'm sure they want all the bugs worked out before it goes international.. and that won't be for a while.
Besides, there aren't the advertisers for Y! International right now. So even if you were able to join... you wouldn't make anything.
I cant go into details but almost all adevrtisers on my website are from the US and traffic must be converting at least OK for them as they are not excluding my website from their advertising compaigne
I believe YPN will go international sometime in 2007.
One of our sites focuses 100% on the US. It is hosted in the US. The topic is really only of interest in the US. Yet we are not eligible because we are based in the UK and cannot furnish them with a US Tax ID.
So when Johnson says "until we are able to serve our constituent’s needs" I just wonder who he means by constituents, because certainly in our case it doesn't mean his advertisers.
Although YPN was our first choice (for a variety of reasons), we have now gone elsewhere and will not return. There will be countless others like us. We just couldn't wait any longer for them to sort themselves out.
There will be countless others like us. We just couldn't wait any longer for them to sort themselves out.
Same here. Businesses evolve and change. YPN missed the boat.
You wouldn't have thought a purely online business would have that newbie merchant mentality, would you? International borders have far less to do with online commerce than the language you speak does.
When I started out in online commerce it was as an affiliate. Countless times I was rejected by newbie merchants for 'not being US based' even though 85% of my traffic was US based.
See? Stuck in a brick and mortar mentality! My computer was in 'abroad' my traffic must be stuck there as well.
Not one of those newbie merchants ever amounted to much even when I did get the whole idea of the internet through their thick skulls. First to fail tracking tests, first to be overun with parasites, first to the wall.
A complete and utter lack of imagination. Like an unsuccessful port job from PC to Mac - the intention was there, the execution wasn't.
The maths ain't good on any company still not capitalizing on their potential international customer base. In 1996 it was forgiveable. In 2006 its not.
Its not the implicit racism that makes them a bad business choice, thats annoying, but we are all used to it from US companies now - its the track records of other companies with a similar lack of vision.
There was a window in which to impress me. Its gone, and they are tarred with the same brush as the other losers.
Oh and that was before I found out what Ben Edelman caught them up to.
Google has alsways been a step upfront comparing with Yahoo
Anyway if Tax ID is teh only issue,as far as i know you can apply for the one at IRS even if you are not the US citizen
Life's too short for spite, but evidently that's what you want to see.
By "will not return" I mean we have moved on. The site in question won't sit around waiting for Yahoo to get real. It will evolve, using fresh models. New content will evolve around that, and it will continue to move forward.
This process is already underway, and we will not attempt to turn the clock back to shoehorn YPN in there when and if they are eventually ready. There are an infinite number of directions out there which will lead to success. YPN seems to be acting like the world is static (as Alex references) and waiting for them.
As I stated, I was disappointed because they would have been a very good fit at this time. But our boat has now left the harbour and they've missed it (as they are clearly missing many others).
Life's too short for spite, but evidently that's what you want to see
I'm sure Yahoo will regret losing your business.
There are sad people on every forum... who feel the need to make aggressive and unecessary remarks like this. Hopefully you will grow up sooner rather than later.
We have no intention of back tracking to accomodate their less than dynamic approach, as we have already moved on to support a different model: as have countless other major portals.
US
Population: 298 million
European Union
Population: 456 million
Europe
Population: 705 million
Limiting one's business to the US only would seem to me to be a rather short-sighted "business decision". Particularly when you consider that there isn't any real significant difference between the US and the EU (apart from the number of residents).
(And there is also a continent called Asia, where we can find fully developed countries like Japan, etc. Also, see how Google tries to penetrate the market in China -- they know what they're doing.)
Limiting one's business to the US only would seem to me to be a rather short-sighted "business decision".
Nobody has said that YPN was NOT going to eventually open in Europe. I think the primary concern is to get the targeting right and to integrate it with the technologies being rolled out with Project Panama.
Right now they're adding in some elements of Panama to YSM but it's not the full rollout.
Nobody has said that YPN was NOT going to eventually open in Europe
Maybe you noticed that I wasn't referring to YPN specifically.
Maybe you didn't notice that we are talking about YPN International?
I was talking about US-only business models in general (which applies to YPN too).
Now you're saying that your comment DOES apply to YPN? Which one is it, man?
The topic of this thread is YPN International, that's what is under discussion. If you don't preface your post with a statement that you are digressing, then it's going to be rightfully assumed that your statement is a comment about the specific topic (YPN International).
[edited by: martinibuster at 7:04 pm (utc) on May 9, 2006]
Maybe you didn't notice that we are talking about YPN International?
By the way, Yahoo may still decide not to allow European publishers eventually (no matter what they claim right now). That's also one of the reasons why I posted the EU and European population figures. Hopefully, all US-only zealots (fools/separatists) will wake up someday.
WWW is by nature worldwide (obviously) which is a mega-strength. Those who try to draw maps on it usually end up either losing, or looking stupid, or a combination of both, depending upon the scenario in play. It is not a unique situation.
YPN are already well down that path. This is rather ironic, as those who usually fall into this trap tend to be traditional bricks and mortar type entities. Yahoo should know better, but many would now argue that they have already become 'established' enough to completely lose the fast moving internet plot.
Trying to be diplomatic, I would say that they are way past the point of looking to be an innovative and credible player on the world stage in terms of this particular type of publisher relationship.
A more interesting thread would perhaps be one which examines WHY Yahoo has taken for ever to get itself properly on board what is such a potentially giant revenue stream for them. At a corporate level I would suggest they have failed to deliver.
Sounds like smart business sense.
You miss the whole point. It's the speed of it son. Victorian bricks and mortar pace versus internet pace.
Of course we have seen it before, many times. How Microsoft must rue not taking search seriously before they did (indeed, the same could apply to the internet itself).
The longer they leave it, the harder it will be. And they have already left it a relative eternity. They'll never catch Google with this now, and every extra day puts them many more days behind.
In my option their complete lack of urgency is a major business blunder.
1) the delay in accepting international publishers (even with US traffic) is very odd
2) the rather large number of accounts cancelled because of international traffic. Filtering the international traffic is a burden left to webmaster, who must geo-localize their ad system.
Between Yahoo Inc. and Joe Webmaster, who has the larger processing power and know how? Why can't Yahoo simply show "alternate ads" a la Adsense to international users?
3) that fact itself that international taffic has lead to bans instead of warnings. I understand fraudulent clicks must be fought without any hesitation, but international traffic does not sem a capital offence.
4) The "lack of international advertisers" issue is plain ridiculous. If international advertisers use Adwords, why shouldn't they use Overture?
I am running parallel Adwords and Yahoo campaigns (in Italian) and I struggle to get a reasonable number of impressions. Yahoo Gives me about 5% of Google's impressions, and I woud LOVE to get more.
So, after all, I begin seeing a pattern of "extero-phobia" in Yahoo's behaviour. As the owner of several sites (and of the #1 Italian blog on YPN :-) I would love to see YPN international, but I simply start to believe they "have other priorities", i.e. they don't care.
Where is Europe anyway? Isn't it somewhere in Mexico? Oh... your from Australia.... isn;t that in England?
american company, not american country
[1) the delay in accepting international publishers (even with US traffic) is very odd2) the rather large number of accounts cancelled because of international traffic. Filtering the international traffic is a burden left to webmaster, who must geo-localize their ad system.
Between Yahoo Inc. and Joe Webmaster, who has the larger processing power and know how? Why can't Yahoo simply show "alternate ads" a la Adsense to international users?
Your second point here is excellent, and is one I hadn't considered. It just seems really sloppy, perhaps arrogant, or maybe plain lazy.
Why indeed can't they serve public service ads, or even optionally their own, if a click is from outside their parochial territory? I can see no good reason. To ban folks for overseas clicks is ridiculous.
