Adsense rules are more relaxed than Yahoo's

For those who think Adsense is unreasonably restrictive

[ann]

Here is what I read when signing up to try Yahoo on one of the smaller sites.

From the TOS:

in the no no section I found this: <<<(do not) display all or part of the Ad Unit on any web site that is not enrolled in the Beta Program, or sublicense or syndicate the Matched Ads to any other entity or web site;
(do not) display all or part of the Ad Unit to any user located outside the US; >>>>>

Okay people, how do you prevent other countries people from reading your site besides banning all foreign countries? I don't plan to do that!

I also found on it that you may not display Yahoo ads on any page with any other ads? Does this mean I must take down my banners and all ads other than Yahoo?

This all sounds MANY times more restrictive than Adsense!

Think I will stick 100% with adsense. Looks like Yahoo is against diversifying our income......sheeeesh.

[Edge]

Looks folks, this is a beta program. I would not treat it any different that that.

Until YPN gets thier targeting down, they are not a even a contender.

[jomaxx]

Gary, thanks for posting that. I'll have to look into that service. Since you ask "why not", I'll just point out:
1. Hardcoding eliminates the need for database lookups
2. Hardcoding eliminates reliance on a third-party server
3. Use of NetGeo is subject to "rate limiting", which I assume means that if you make too many calls within too short a period of time, they cut you off.

[sailorjwd]

Thanks for the list of IPs.

While I was away (2 hours) I generated a rough one by hand using some lookup tool on the net.

Ran it through my logs and immediately got sick.
Too many non-usa clicks.

Since I am advertising with adwords I would need to cut it down to just USA - this will kill the pages I still am running with Adsense.

So I have to make a decision... what is the probability that they will actually attempt to detect non usa clicks and what is the probability they will actually knock out the clicks during a the review process.

My question can be answered if some of you give me info:

Did anyone here get their Total Revs reduced during the last pay period review?

You wonder why I am bothering? Income is 2x more than adsense.

[NoLimits]

Most people's first YPN checks were GREATER by $1 or so than the estimated total. I saw no reduction of any kind.

If they are discounting off shore clicks, they must be doing it before they let it hit my YPN stats.

[sailorjwd]

Thanks NoLimits

I wish that were true about discounting at time of click. I suspect they didn't anything about foreign clicks yet.. But since I questioned them about it I'm sure their going to look at my account :(

[NoLimits]

I thought I read some heresay somewhere that a Yahoo rep claimed that they did not yet have the technology to determine the origin of the user clicking.

Perhaps I am dreaming... but I'm off work now so I'll have to look for it later. Yaaaaaay! Off work....

Hopefully a year from now I can have a mod resurrect this post so that I can say "I am no longer a slave to corporate America"

[Ankhenaton]

About time that this hits Europe ... although I am not holding my breath that Yahoo! ist that much nicer/better than Google on the long run.

It's just there to bring more diversity hence a wee bit more security in this fragile business.

Locking out all non US traffic lol .. Sounds like a chinese policy ;)

[sailorjwd]

Bad day in YPN land.

I spent the last two hours removing YPN ads from many of my pages because of the NON-USA click issue. I simply can't risk the revenue generated during the (up to) 10 weeks till I find out if the clicks were thrown out or not. I only left it on pages that didn't generated hardly any revenue using something else.

I suspect from NoLimits comment that they haven't started discounting the foreign clicks. I also suspect that they will run the click IPs through a filter and only red-flag accounts that reach a certain percentage threshold. All guess work on my part.

I may have been the one that said they didn't have the technology to do this - I retract my statement on that.

[jomaxx]

Too bad you have to do that, but you'll look like a genius if Yahoo turns around and says "we TOLD you not to send us foreign traffic".

Hmm. As I was writing this, I just remembered that I got kicked out of Overture's old searchbox affiliate program because I wasn't located in the USA. I'm in Canada, and although my site isn't specifically targeted to Americans, it's in English and has the exact same geographics as any US site on the same subject would have. Maybe they have the same yankocentric decision-maker running Yahoo's beta program.

[garyr_h]

If nothing else you can just use phpAdsNew, or use their database for finding the location. I'm not 100% sure phpAdsNew is or isn't against the TOS of YPN, however Jensense is using it... and I'm sure she knows more than I do about it.

[sailorjwd]

just use phpAdsNew...

I downloaded it. That's as far as I got.

Even though I develop databases for 30 years I don't have the patience to work with my hosting company to get it setup.

I wish I could hire someone to set it up (hint hint).

[perldiver]

Re: the php code that garyr_h posted a few days ago:

It references a service on netgeo.caida.org and this is a warning from the actual netgeo page:

NOTE: NetGeo has not been actively maintained for several years, and this will probably not change in the foreseeable future. As a result, there are several known major issues affecting accuracy and service availability. Please be warned that NetGeo may give wildly incorrect results, especially for recently allocated or re-assigned IP addresses.

Indeed, I just tried it with the IP of my server, which is in Connecticut, and netgeo said it was in Australia.

I just added some code to my own site to filter my YPN ads using jomaxx's list (thanks jomaxx!)