proxy.google.com, UA: UP.Browser/3.1.04-SY03 UP.Link/5.0.2.3c (Google

[martin]

I have a request from 216.239.33.5 (proxy.google.com), no referrer, the user agent is UP.Browser/3.1.04-SY03 UP.Link/5.0.2.3c (Google WAP Proxy/1.0).

Is this a spider or a human? Looks to me more like a human being.

[littleman]

[google.com...]
Both, that’s the google wap traslator, it converts html to wml.

[martin]

So it probably is someone browsing the web, not a bot?

>Both, that’s the google wap traslator, it converts html to wml.
I didn't get this.

[Grumpus]

Martin - someone's got one of those handhelp web browsers (WAP - Wireless Access Protocol). HTML is bulky and most pages are decigned for 800x600 viewing, while a WAP device is a much smaller screen. Google has a service for people with those devices which reformats the web page so they can see it on their tiny screen. It's similar to Google's language translation (or AltaVista's babelfish). They are looking at your site through a translator at google. They hit google's page and google's translater runs out and grabs your site, translates it, and sends it to the viewer.

G.

[c3oc3o]

You can try it yourself here: [google.com...]
(the /wml one isn't working in a normal PC browser)

[wilderness]

216.239.39.5 - - [02/Sep/2002:05:56:26 -0700] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 14146 "-" "DoCoMo/1.0/P502i/c10 (Google CHTML Proxy/1.0)"

This Google I'ver never seen before. Haven't a clue if it's the same or not?

[mbauser2]

This Google I'ver never seen before. Haven't a clue if it's the same or not?

Pretty much is. NTT DoCoMo is the Japanese company who created "i-mode", a network for HTML-capable cell phone browsers. CHTML is an abbreviation for "Compact HTML", a scaled-down, small-screen-friendly version of HTML based on an old W3C submission [w3.org].

There are actually 3 different phone companies in Japan that operate major web/phone networks, 2 of which support different flavors of CHTML. Google currently has proxies for both of the CHTML networks, i-mode and J-Sky. (The old EZweb proxy seems to have been merged into Google's WML proxy.)

CHTML (and web-by-phone in general) isn't seen much outside of Japan. i-mode itself is available in a few European countries. In the U.S., AT&T's "mmode" and Sprint's "PCS Vision" are based on similar tech.

[bill]

The Google engine for i-Mode has been covered here on WebmasterWorld before... [webmasterworld.com]

CHTML

DoCoMo's implementation in Japan is not really the W3C cHTML but rather a limited subsets of HTML 2.0, 3.2 and 4.0. I wish the phones here could support the full cHTML spec, but DoCoMo added a few proprietary twists. Here is an English guide to the HTML that can be used on i-Mode phones [nttdocomo.co.jp].

Since i-Mode is not a technology platform, but rather a business model, you can get i-Mode service that uses WAP or any other local network protocol. I may be totally off on this, but as I recall, the i-Mode implementation in the USA thru ATT uses WAP. The i-Mode launched in Europe earlier this year I believe is based more closely on cHTML. The WAP v. HTML/cHTML troubles are lessening as there are now phones coming out that will browse both WAP and HTML based pages.

CHTML (and web-by-phone in general) isn't seen much outside of Japan.

DoCoMo is slowly spreading its i-Mode reach worldwide, so you may see more of this. In June they opened i-Mode services in Taiwan. I believe that they will be opening more markets in Asia soon.

If you're interested in checking out Google's WAP format, I've had luck using Opera at this link: www.google.com/wml?hl=ja

[wilderness]

I looked at my main entry page with the previously mentioned google-i-mode link.
The page has a minimum of graphics and what I would consider minimum text and yet it was viewed as five (5) pages.
I hardly think WAP or i-mode user is going through that number of pages.
Most everybody here knows by now that I have no interest in far east traffic. The only benefit to those visitors at my websites is in gather addresses and there is nobenefit to my sites [unless you count the work that denies causes ;-)]
As a result it's been added to my denies.

I've seen a cell phone used as a browser and it was limited to something like 250 characters. Spaces and puntuation included.
Anybody know the charcter limit on these?

[bill]

The main draw for the Google search on i-Mode for me was that it let me see almost any site on my phone. Prior to this I was limited to sites designed specifically for the phones...and there weren't too many of these in English to start with. ;)

Anybody know the character limit on these?

For the older models (1+ years old) I know that DoCoMo set the recommended page size (text and images) at 5KB. However, the safe way to design pages for i-Mode was to stay within 2KB. Some of the newer phones allow for the display of larger pages. Once the phone downloads its limit for the page, page transmission is interrupted and you can't see the rest of the page. With the Google search for i-Mode it breaks the page into digestible chunks so you can page thru the longer pages.

[Brett_Tabke]

Fire up Opera browser and go to [wap.google.com...]

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