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6:26 am on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Continued From:

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A few thoughts, observations, questions, etc.

Quotas
It's my understanding that incoming and outgoing attachments are limited to 10 megs each, but I'm not sure.

Ads
I believe that they are displayed on incoming, not outgoing e-mails, but again, I'm unsure about this. Anyone have more details?

On Craven de Kere's targeting fears
I respectfully believe they are unfounded. Google has a pretty public history of declining hateful or anti-type ads. So "Dating Adam? Learn the truth about this cretin today!" ads are unlikely to be happening ;). Besides, few of my exes have AdWords accounts and... uh, nevermind :D. And while I believe Mr. de Kere is firm in his stance already, I personally feel that rejecting potential customers based upon the e-mail system they use is asking for a PR nightmare.

On market penetration
I'm skeptical that many current Hotmail / Yahoo users will really switch to gmail, at least outside the more transient / 'trendsetter' 25-years-old and younger demographic. In talking with my roommate and several other non-uber-geeky friends, I've found that -- while most are quite frustrated with their Hotmail or Yahoo accounts -- they are loathe to discontinue them for the following reasons:
1) They don't feel like notifying all their friends of a new address.
2) Several have their Hotmail address on their business cards! (which, of course, as a geek I think this is horrific, but hey, even in San Francisco, not everyone's a geek).
3) They don't want to change their e-mail address on amazon.com, newsletters, etc.
4) They don't really have that much important e-mail they need to keep.

With that said, I think gmail may be a hit with more tech-savvy / younger folks who perhaps have fewer or more-understanding contacts to notify and so on.

On non-primary uses
I already own several domains, including one that's my surname, and I'm rather content with these. I get my mail by POP3, already have a fabulous spam filter (POPfile), and currently check my e-mail from home 99% of the time. For those times when I want to read or send mail away from home, I'm able to do so with my Treo PDA/phone, which connects nicely to my Outlook via software called Basejet.

With that said, though, when I get back into the corporate world and perhaps am traveling more (and maybe even internationally), I can definitely see the benefits of having a copy of my mails forwarded to my gmail account, saving me from the hassles of reading and replying to e-mail on my tiny PDA screen and keyboard.

I can also envision gmail as a nice mail backup! Though I try to backup my Outlook PST file and other critical files regularly, I certainly don't get to this every day... and if I forwarded all my e-mail (automatically) to my gmail account, I'd have a secure, handy backup!

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You will probably want to use some judgement about sending emails to Gmail holders, I'll probably notify potential subscribers that we don't deliver to that address.

Bad neighborhood and all..

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See a snapshot of what gmail would look like.

[adwords.google.com...]

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[adwords.google.com...]

Example of a google mail screen[/url]

I did not see that before.

"you are currently using 27 of your 1000 megabytes"

also adwods support is mailing about adwords appearing on gmail..

Herath beat me to it..

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Notice "Labels" on the left, which looks like their method of grouping topics or conversations in a format similar to what we usually do as "sort" into topic folders.

The ads on the right seem very decent and not as distracting as flashing banner ads as shown on the other competitor's email services.

When will I get my invite Google?

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I tried to be creative when looking at that image, but no luck here.

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Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

robin@gmail.com

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ThatAdamGuy,

I have no doubt that Google will remove any "Adam is a cretin" ads they see.

But they do not pre-approve them all.

That was just one example, I've thought of several other ways for potential gmail ad exploits intended to lure dumb users into doing something.

But I have also thought of many ways to safeguard it and factors that will make this abuse rare.

1) You pay. Internet slimeballs and script kiddies will have to really think it's worth it.

2) To pay you have to identify yourself (ideally). This will deter some.

3) It's predictable but will be "hit and miss".

I do not think it will be an issue for most people. Due to the nature of 2 of my ventures it is.

And together with an aquaintence with access I know that several of the exploits I worry about are possible.

Now, I won't lose a single paying client over this. My client base for my services is small and loyal and we communicate by phone a lot.

I also have much larger ventures with users who are not clients. Whether or not I block gmail for them is not a big concern for me. The possibilities for gmail exploits for them is not a big concern and neither is the effect of blocking gmail. They can always register a different address with me.

So don't worry about my businesses, it will not suffer because I'd not let it.

I know exactly why I will be wary of gmail and have already gotten proof of concept for two "exploits" I worried about.

The nature of my ventures (some are very private) is such that this is an issue for me. And it will be for some others.

But for the most part, it'll just be a successfull cash cow for Google.

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Gmail must have the possibility to delete email. All those chainmails or funny images, not forgetting emails from our previous loves :)
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There's a lot of paranoia-talk in this thread at the moment. E-mail is not a safe medium. If you require privacy of content, use a fax machine. Or encrypted mail.

Speaking of encrypted mail, I wonder if there'll be a way of fooling the google Ad engine by encrypting text emails.

TJ

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The Press release page [google.com] used to say (according to Google's cache)

Press Releases

March 31, 2004
Google Gets the Message, Launches Gmail

March 29, 2004
Google Introduces Personalized Search Services; Site Enhancements Emphasize Efficiency

Now it says:

Press Releases

April 1, 2004 UTC
Google Gets the Message, Launches Gmail

March 29, 2004
Google Introduces Personalized Search Services; Site Enhancements Emphasize Efficiency

Notice the date changed to "April 1" and now also has "UTC" added.

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Notice the date changed to "April 1" and now also has "UTC" added.

Are you saying you still think it's an April Fool?

TJ

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This might be among the best April Fool's Day hoax ever.

Hoax watching sites announced it was a probable hoax early on. Lots of us debated it. Lots of others watched from the sidelines, unsure...perhaps up until we opened our AdWords newsletters a couple of hours ago.

Yet it was no hoax. The hoax was to make us think it was a hoax. The hoaxwatchers, the most sceptical, fell for it. Pretty neat trick.

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Pretty neat trick.

Understatement of the year. It was total genius. And they got the balance *just* right - too far one way or the other and it would have backfired.

The best marketing ploy I have seen in *years*.

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There's now a login form on gmail.com - BRILLIANT marketing
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>There's a lot of paranoia-talk in this thread at the moment.

Calling legitimate concerns about privacy issues "paranoia-talk" hardly serves to elevate the level of discussion here. You may disagree with the privacy concerns that some here (including me) have expressed, but to imply that we suffer from paranoia is taking your criticism a bit too far :(

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The concerns are very legitimate, but to put it into perspective - they are almost no different than those faced by yahoo and hotmail users.

Yahoo will HAVE to increase their storage space to compete. They aren't idiots (anymore).

This should be very interesting as time goes on.

It is great to see competition once again. There hasn't EVER been these level of competition and the good part is it has just begun.

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It is definitely for real. My daughter works for google and has her own daughtername@gmail.com account which she has been using to correspond with me.
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Google storing your e-mails, analyzing every one to learn all they can about you - only, of course, in the interest of serving you ads. Right.

Sounds to me like paranoia. But even if you disagree with me on title, the long and short of it is, if you want to be assured of privacy, do not use a free mail host, and use encryption.

TJ

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So you are afraid that google `reads` your emails?

I only hear you about google wanting to do that.

Hotmail and Yahoo also have this ability! and lots of other email suppliers....
I don't hear you cry about them?!?! strange!

example:
let's say that in some future google has 1 million email-members.
All of them got 25 emails in their email box (avarage). (you can keep them forever, so this would be a small number!)

That would give them a total of 25 million emails.
You really think they are going to read them all by hand?
Do you really think they will be looking into mailboxes?
They probably got something better to do then look into other peoples lives; people at google also got their own lives! (I think ;))

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>Sounds to me like paranoia.

Sorry to see you still don't have any interest in showing respect to the opinions of other members, TrillianJedi. But I'll let that be your problem, not mine.

DoppyNL -.

You really think they are going to read them all by hand?
Do you really think they will be looking into mailboxes?

I don't recall ever saying that "they are going to read them all by hand?" Perhaps you could point out to me where I made comments that could be construed that way? Or perhaps you were just twisting my comments to make your argument seem better?

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I'll just wait for the brain implant, not sure they can properly manage my life with simple email correspondence.

Come on G! roll out the Gbrain!

or will it be Gmind?

Google rocks!

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The first rule of public relations: check the calendar before your big product launch.Google, one of the savviest firms on the internet, has learnt this lesson the hard way..

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

In one stroke, they crossed the barrier as a search engine, waded huge negative privacy concern and an amazing buzz around the product. When will the other folks get it, rather than critizing their timing of launch.

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IMHO:
A) General public won't know, or understand, privacy "implication" in having Mediabot spider their emails.
B) General public will see "Get FREE Google email - better than everybody elses for these reasons..." when searching and will signup in their droves.
C) Google will annouce they have 50M users within 3 months, which will give them the HUGE push needed for IPO.
D) You really think that refusing to accept, or send to, Gmail emails will make ANY difference to Gmails success? If you depend on emails for your business, then it would be the same as if you stopped receiving Hotmail or Yahoo! emails today.

Face it - Google is huge, and once again is making the rest of us dance to their fiddle. Don't belive me? Check out the Adsense forum - today they made [IMHO negative for us] changes to Adsense, and the world rushes to work with them. No talk of "dropping" Adsense, the most radical notion is trying to hang on until it becomes unsustainable for us. You think it's going to be any different when they launch Gmail?

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Well, the competitors are trying to jump on this deal! The company at the following URL says that
It may be April Fool's Day, but email is never a joke.

In response to the growing need for email server space, Spymac announced today an increase to its storage capacity for all Spymac Mail accounts. One gigabyte of storage is available to all registered Spymac Mail accounts, effective Monday April 5, 2004.

h*tp://www.spymac.com/

I hope this post doesn't get edited for having specifics on it... I thought it was pertinent to this discussion.

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Well, the competitors are trying to jump on this deal!

Well, with what google are offering, it's going to be a case of compete or leave.

Certainly its put the cat amongst the pigeons. I'm surprised it didn't leak earlier.

TJ

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SEOMike: Glad I posted before yours ;) Never had a prediction come true so quickly before!
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Can you imagine if this whole thing WAS an April Fool's joke and today they come to work to see people rolling out their 1GB systems next MONDAY! If that were the case I could only imagine the collective "Oh Sh*t!" over at Google. Haha... that would be a fitting backfire to a cruel joke!
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Sorry just had to post this:

on yahoo's mail page:

Free 4MB storage - up to twice as much as other free email providers!

I know its old, but still its hilarious. Yeah, they're going to have to do something to retain their email users. Course its like the cell phone number bit, where you'd have to inform anyone who would ever want to email you, of what your new email address is.

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Why don't Google just set no limit on storage capacity?
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Coz then you get into the really dodgy arenas of people DEMANDING unlimited capacity.

"Oh, just back up my old PC hard drive to Google before moving it over to my new PC and I'll never bother to delete it".

Extreme example, but hey, it ocurred to me, so it would ocurr to others! (TM)

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