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3:18 pm on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just curious to know if there is any female webmasters.
From my imagination, this is a quite male dominated industry, right?

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3:21 pm on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm a chick, and a web mistress... Lots of lady web masters where I'm from. In fact, my toughest competition stems from female run small businesses.

To me, it's not a male dominated industry anymore.... take a look at [digitaleve.org,...] [wiredwoman.com...] - just to name a few lady techie orgs.

Go Girls!

3:58 pm on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I do not think a person is really a website developer unless they know programming.

Not to stray too far off topic, but many people, myself included, consider HTML, XHTML and CSS programming. They are languages, use keywords and variables (that's what a css selector really is, after all), etc. Your posted code snippet and subsequent comments regarding it imply that you define 'programming' as languages like PERL, PHP or javaScript, but that seems like an awfully narrow definition.

To say that someone who can write webpages in valid (X)HTML and style it with valid CSS is not a web developer simply because they don't back it up with a mySQL database (or CGI scripts, or PHP includes, or whatever you have in mind) really is demeaning.

You can build a huge, successful web venture without ever writing a for loop or if...else statement. I'm not saying I recommend it, but it is possible, and doing so has almost no bearing on the success or failure of a site, which is the real measure of a 'webmaster' anyway, isn't it?

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If you wish to define a "true" webmaster as a person who programs sites completely by hand, go for it.

But let me ask you this- say you took one basic site. You had person A hand-code it completely. You had person B use a WYSIWYG editor and tweek the html some by hand. Then you have person C design it completely with a WYSIWYG editor. All three people maintain the site with regular updates. Are these people webmasters?

To me, all three are webmasters. By your definition- no, they would not be. But they have built a website, they maintain it, etc. Are there different skill levels? Of course.

I think there is room on this "team" for all different players. If a baseball team was limited to only those "real" players who could pitch a ball at 100 mph, what kind of team would that be?

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>>>>> There seem to be a lot of women dealing with link exchanges these days, which is fine by me.

I doubt that there is much, if any, correlation between the names in the signatures on many commercial link exchange requests and the true sex of the sender. I suspect there are a lot of male spammers who just use names more common to 20 something females in order to try to get better reponse rates to their link requests.

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many people, myself included, consider HTML, XHTML and CSS programming. They are languages, use keywords and variables (that's what a css selector really is, after all), etc. Your posted code snippet and subsequent comments regarding it imply that you define 'programming' as languages like PERL, PHP or javaScript, but that seems like an awfully narrow definition.

I've started a new thread to reply to this and not hijack this.
[webmasterworld.com...]

[edited by: olwen at 6:48 pm (utc) on Dec. 8, 2004]

6:46 pm on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well twist, if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, I'm an active PHP coder (meaning most of my websites are highly reliant on PHP, as well as mySQL databases) and have in the past been employed as an ASP and, later, JSP programmer in a Fortune 500 company. As an Info. Systems grad, I also did coursework in COBOL, C++ and Java. So what? I'm not into ego puffery, which is what your "challenge" results in, in one way or another.

Also, Lexipixel said

A true "webmaster" would never refer to himself or herself as such.

As any true webmaster knows;

...you can't master something that constantly changes.

-lexipixel

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That's a load of hooey. That's like saying a lawyer can't be an expert in a field of law (say corporate finance) just because that field is always changing. The only constant in this world is change. Deal with it.

Out of curiousity, Lexipixel, just what title do you put under your name on your business card -- "Person of unspecified talents and skills"?

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just what title do you put under your name on your business card -- "Person of unspecified talents and skills"?

For my private stuff pretty much that, I say "Internet Specialist"

At work it's Analyst/Programmer

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Today, I just got UPS delivery of a book directly from the publisher, and it'll probably be on the NY Times bestsellers' list (their last one was) and in the book, they call me a webmaster. Amid great puffery, through common use of the phrase in reference to me, I now pronounce myself one. If a million plus people read it, it's true, right? ;)
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Jane - I expect you are correct but most of mine are personal replies about links that I have requested.
9:08 pm on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Count me in. I've never posted here, but I've referred to info in these forums on a number of occasions. I've been a "webmaster" since 1999, when I completed a certification course.

I'm a "true" webmaster, even by Twist's definition. It says it on my business card, and I do all my own programming. AND I'm really, truly a female happy!

Well, for all the bad that came from my post at least some good came out. It was enough for TOWebstress to post her first post on webmasterworld :)

As for all other comments and replies, i'm going to stick to the new thread that olwen started.

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A bit late getting in on this one, been busy webmastering!
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Female Webmasters - Fact or Fiction?

What a silly headline. Humans are already using computers and not carving stone plates anymore, right?!

Imagine a headline like: Male Cooks - Fact or Fiction?

I vote for rewording this discriminating headline.

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I was thinking of posting a "Bald Webmasters - Fact or Fiction?" thread in honor of my hubby, but I figured he might not get as much of a kick out of it as I would. (Especially since he's still got a little on top!)

That and I couldn't figure out a good use for a list of the bald webmasters here on WW -- rogaine and propecia just don't have the draw they used to!

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Another one! Fortunately, webmistress@mydomain dot whatever isn't a favorte of spammers.
10:00 pm on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Bald Webmasters - Fact or Fiction? True I only have to look in the mirror
11:22 pm on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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there are some really cool female webmasters out there!
12:48 am on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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166 posts...that should tell ya somethin buddy:)
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I learned everything I know about SEO from the two Senior Webmasters at the company I used to work at.

One of the only subcontractors I ever trusted was a woman.

While I do see a lot of female web designers, I see far far fewer female web programmers - maybe that's plays a little too far into the Male Brain / Female Brain pseudoscience?

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Interesting. How about if we look at the basics: masculine and feminine energy.

Feminie: creative, nuturing, expansive, feeling
Masculine: builder, implementor, strong, reasoning

Everyone has some of both of those types of energies, but we generally lean to one side or the other. However, I don't think a balance between them is either good or bad. Whatever is, just is, and those energies need to be respected in order to be used to their fullest.

I happen to be female, but am waaaayyy over on the masculine energy side. I'm an electronics engineer, project manager, business consultant, business coach, and webmaster/designer. However, in each of those areas, I have to use my feminine energy to help guide people through projects, nuture them, support them, and help them grow. But in the end, stuff must get done, and that calls for masculine energy to build it and make it happen.

Again, I'm speaking in absolutes here: feminine, creator; masculine, builder. Clearly, if we all were using feminine energy (creating) all the time and there was no masculine energy (the builder) around, we could come up with some amazing ideas, but nothing would get done. Conversely, if we were all using masculine energy (the builder, which would turn into the warrior with no balance), we'd be trying to beat each other up, and STILL, nothing would get done.

So, my point is: we need both energies to create and build... to get stuff done. Balance, teamwork, cooperation, blah blah, will create it and get it done. If that balance is in one person, so be it. If it takes two people, so be it. Whatever it is, it just is. Do what you're best at, and leave the rest for someone else because s/he's better at it than you. No judgements (not that anybody here is judging), it just is. And, it sure makes life easier.

Didn't mean it to sound like a lecture. [Ed.- there she goes again, apologizing... oy, it's a constant battle between the two of them] ;-)

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Cool, a new genre to replace the Swedish Bikini Team.
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166 posts...that should tell ya somethin buddy:)

Yeah, it tells me that no matter where you go on the internet, there are a bunch of guys trying to pick up girls. This is possibly the most boring thread I have seen on WW. ZZzzzzzzz

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You asked "this is a quite male dominated industry, right?"

I'm not so sure there are many of those left :)

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Trying to pick up gals?!?!?! US no way those agls a backed up around the block once they hear what it is we do for a living.

No its true really it is.

2:07 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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OK, I will stand up and be counted! Although, I prefer Webmistress...
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This is possibly the most boring thread I have seen on WW. ZZzzzzzzz

And yet you posted. Interesting.

The solution to your problem is simple: quit reading. That's the beauty of the internet, see? You don't actually have to read anything...

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld Coachdeb. :)
I think it was a great post and being your first ever here makes it more special.Cheers.
10:42 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm one, but that should be obvious from my user name.

Don't like webmistress.

Silly thread too, pointless really.

2:01 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Silly, pointless yet apparently engrossing enough to respond to. Must be why so many people watch reality TV -- something I find truly silly and pointless (and yet, have watched occasionally, just like every other human with a television.)
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Must be why so many people watch reality TV -- something I find truly silly and pointless (and yet, have watched occasionally, just like every other human with a television.)

We haven't (that's two humans, my husband and I, who have NEVER ONCE watched "reality TV".... and yes, we DO own a tv....)

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We haven't (that's two humans, my husband and I, who have NEVER ONCE watched "reality TV".... and yes, we DO own a tv....)

I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that, though I'd count seeing a preview as "watching reality TV" and I'd find it improbable that <i>no one</i> has seen a preview.

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