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I did at first, within 2 weeks get some of my keywords in and not too badly ranked #6 and #7, but they have now vanished and I've been unable to get anything from that URL in since.
My only concern is the client did purchase some additional domains and placed re-directs to the main site, then submitted them also to the SE's which AV was one.
His claim was "he wanted to see if he could match my rankings with hopefully main URL, then the others". I have now told him to stop as the SE's would class that as spamming the site, but has the dammage been done ? and was I correct ?
And lastly, if AV has banned a site how do you get around this ? without having to buy a new domain and move the site
P.S good morning from the uk :)
joined:July 21, 2000
I did manage to get a page ban lifted at AV UK (I think) - but have not tried at AV US. It was for a similar situation where the client had done stuff without consulting us and then submitted themselves. The result was that both their domain was banned (and still is) and the 'gateway' URL was also dropped. I sent through to AV (from their support page) a note which said that we were the SEO people responsible for preparing relevent search engine content for our client but I thought they may have dropped the URLs because of X Y Z and that we had informed our client of these breaches of AV rules but this was only after we discovered what they had done. Apologized, said that both AV and ourselves have a common interest in providing searchers with relevent and informative answers to their search queries - wanting to work together to enhance the reputation of SEs etc. I had no reply but our 'gateway' URL has now reappeared and ranks in the top 5 for all the search terms for the client. That could be coincidence but I don't think so as the client's own main site is still not listed. Did not send any request to AV US (where both URLs are still not listed) because it was not so important to our client.
joined:July 21, 2000
Bottom line is that our contacting AV certainly didn't appear to have done any harm and possibly being up front with them might have done some good. Anyway regardless of the reasons let me take this opportunity of saying that I think the people at AV UK are warm and wonderful human beings!!! ;)
I read somewhere that by creating a simple test page with the follwing tag <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,nofollow"> you could then test to see if you are banned from AV. Upload the test page to both the suspect domain and a domain that is known to be good and submit both to AV.
I tried this - the "banned" domain simply returns the usual successful response indicating that the page has not actually been spidered and the good domain submission returns an error proving that the page has been spidered and the tag has been read.
I'm no HTML expert but it confirmed my suspicions that the site is banned (now busy working on a new site just for AV).
Hope this helps.
I have tried what you said with a number of my sites and some got the error message about the noindex tag and some didn't! So from what you have said then the ones that didn't get the error message are banned sites.
I then did a check for the domain name within the database and the site that is "banned" has three doorway pages listed. Now does this mean that if a site is banned any pages that were indexed stay there or if a site is banned do the pages get pulled from the database completely?
I can tell you what happened in my case:
Firstly most of my pages were dropped completely at the AV update that took place in June - like makemetop I noticed almost immediately the drop off in traffic and started to check the cause. Thats when I realised that I had a problem with AV.com. Not knowing why my pages had been dropped I then proceeded to resubmit all of the pages gradually over a number of days and waited, and waited, and waited....
After a few weeks I checked again and found that all my pages had now gone from AV. From this I assumed that the process of re-submitting had knocked out the ones that were still listed.
After reading through the various forums I discovered posts by a number of people warning that WPG doorways were the cause. I also have a free domain (Tripod) that I use for testing and a few weeks later any of those Tripod pages that linked to my main domain also disapeared from AV.
I can't be sure but your experience sounds very similar to mine and I guess you have been "banned".
I read various posts about people trying to get "un-banned" without much success.
My problem is that my doorway pages rank very well on Google and Excite (and, ironically AV.co.uk!) so I am reluctant to change them too much. My worry is that eventually more SE's will follow AV's lead and ban WPG type doorways, so I am trying o build a new site using the themes concept that Brett talks about on his excellent site.
I've for some time now been making my own doorways and running them through the page critic, which so far is working well and I have have quite a few number 1 spots on AV for my clients, except this one !!!
It's very annoying as this clients become a friend and it's s**'s law that 9 times out of 10 things never work out the way you plan it when doing thing's for friends
I've just checked this morning and he still has 1 doorway left, but it's so buried you need excavator to find it.
Maybe time to rebuild :(
I don't think alta is doing ip banning any more - straight domain name if/when it happens.
what you would advise to be the best action to take with my problem (please see start) I've now sent 4 e-mails to av over the last 2 weeks with no responce, but their again I wasn't realy expecting one, but considering how polite/crawling/begging I was it would have been nice to get something other than the standard turn around letter offering a 2 day responce !!
the client has now purchased another domain and I've moved the site to new space so lets hope AV will be kind to me. the only problem being the banned domain is the clients trading name so he would still like to see that in the SE, any ideas ?
thanks for a great quarterly