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But prior to that, I'd submitted external pages linking to the site, including Open Directory, 2 months earlier, to see if AV would index this site on its own. It didn't.
Also, for the most part, AV hasn't indexed site pages other than those I've submitted... though occasionally an odd page (and I do mean odd) will get listed.
Has anyone had links followed and 2nd or 3rd level pages indexed?
PS - I just came across a posting that someone has had a lot of pages crawled and listed. This hasn't happened to me, in spite of target pages being well integrated into the site. What's the general experience?
On another new-ish site, partly submitted to AV November last year, since included in Yahoo and ODP in March and also partly re-submitted to AV around same time; we see that only submitted pages are appearing.
I haven't checked my rankings on AV lately, but I have noticed an uptick in traffic. Still not enough traffic volume to really catch my attention, but they've risen to consistently appearing in my top 10 referrers.
There may be hope for AV even with the idiotic pay-for-inclusion plan they've launched. At least they don't seem to be shutting down the rest of their spidering activity completely, like Inktomi did.
On an old and totally independent site, Mercator came through and crawled at least 2 levels deep on the 7th and 8th. None of these pages have been submitted in the past.
Have just noticed that submissions on 20 and 21 June have all been included in the database (probably updated in the last three days, not earlier). Only submitted pages are in but there seems to be quite a heavy deep crawl on the go today by 209.73.164.159 "Scooter-v3.0JGpdf". (Picking up pages and images.)
So, this is the first indication that we've had that new pages are going in after the PFI date, without paying.
It isn't common to see someone rank well right away in AV, in my own experience.
It took me about 4 -6 mounth to get a good ranking position
Av is very quick to index you but you have to wait for a good position that mý expiriense but when you have that ranking you wich it will come tons of traffic
/Ove
A few year's ago it was a lot easier to obtain fairly good rankings quite quickly. Without exception, every submission we've done and recorded since September last year has been buried. The best was a #2 (2 word term, 2,5 mill results)six month's after submission achieved in April now sitting around #70. On the other hand old pages from around 97/98 are still featuring well.
With fewer and fewer referrals from AV nowadays our only objective has been to make sure that a new site gets into the database with as little time, effort and cost as possible - one day things may spring to life again.
My noframes may be universally mocked, but I daren't change them !
Me either. One site I just looked at has been in for months, and while all are linked from each page, only the ones I've submitted are in there.
I just submitted some newly added pages around 1 AM this past Saturday morning, and when I checked 12 hours later, Scooter 1 had already gotten just those pages, no others. I'll have to watch and see when they're included; they're not yet.
No links were followed, just the pages I submitted - 4 of them.
It's never bothered me if a new site came in at 25 or even 50, because they've alway seemed to move up with time. Course, things are a bit different now. There was a time I could do no wrong with AV, and that is no longer the case.
The way I've handled the AV submissions is to *not* submit all pages at once - just a few at first, then gradually others over a period of time. Don't know if that will do anything any more, I don't have clue for months now.
The full timetable went something like this...
4/20/01 - submitted ODP page
4/23-27/01 - submitted external linking pages
7/7/01 - resubmitted linking pages
6/8/01 - submitted domain to AV
6/20/01 - site listed, doesn't yet rank
6/22/01 - site ranks, but only index page is listed
6/28/01 - submitted remaining main pages to AV (AV submission page promises listing in 4-6 wks)
8/18/01 - interior pages finally appeared, 8 wks after submission; good rankings
I don't know whether submitting the linking pages helped or was necessary; there was originally some concern about submission penalties.
Though I'm reading again in other threads that AV is picking up pages, my experience suggests you should submit the pages you want indexed and wait a couple of months.
Good to be back with the community after long vacation. Did some log analysis for various Scooters activity during Jul 10th - Aug 23rd on site that had pages indexed/ranking (referenced as "old") and about 100 new pages that went live in June, never submitted to AV. Most of the old pages have links from other domains, new pages is "ODP" alike directory 3 levels deep, linked from rest of site through only one "gateway" page.
July
11 index.html only Scooter-3.0.HD
13 most of old pages Scooter-W3-1.0
14 couple old pages Scooter-W3-1.0
15 few old pages Scooter-3.0.FS
16 couple old pages Scooter-3.0.FS
17 most of old pages Scooter-W3-1.0
some old pages Scooter-3.0.FS
18 most of old pages Scooter-W3-1.0
19 40% of old pages Scooter-3.0.FS
20 remaining 60% Scooter-3.0.FS
21 couple of old pages Scooter-3.0.FS
24 few old pages Scooter-3.0.FS
August
1 50% of old pages + some new pages Scooter-v30JGpdf
7 all old pages + "gateway.htm" (linked from all old pages, contains links to most "new" pages) Scooter-W3-1.0
8 all old pages +"gateway" Scooter-W3-1.0
9 all new 1-2 level pages Scooter-W3-1.0
few old pages Scooter-3.0.DY
10 remaining 1-2 level new pages + all 3 level new pages Scooter-W3-1.0
13 some old pages Scooter-W3-1.0
15 some old pages Scooter-3.0.FS
16 some old pages Scooter-3.0.FS
17/18/19 all old & new pages scooter-3.0.vns
22 some old, some new pages Scooter-W3-1.0
None of new pages in AV index yet, will keep you informed.
RZ
Perhaps AltaVista is analyzing links, in that case, all spidered pages wouldn't list, and older pages would seem to rank higher because they tend to have more inbound links.
Engine: none of new pages in AV database yet.
73 rz
