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Web Snap Shot seems to better agree with what I see in my logs so I use them now. (not to mention it's free) They actually had AV falling almost 3% since the begining of June
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I was wondering if any of you knew about what appears to be a points system at AV Belgium? Is this simply a numerical display of AV results?
I see #1 rankings coming in anywhere from 6,000 to 35,000 (points?)
This definitely looks to be a numerical value for site relevancy.
It definitely needs further testing but I did notice something pretty interesting. It seems as those when testing 1 word search phrases, the less common the word on the net the higher the possible number.
normal competitive 1 word search terms
#1 for "pokeman" - 15208
#1 for "mp3" - 15785
competitive search terms that are probably more common
#1 for "travel" - 6469
#1 for "sale" - 7874
competitve search terms that are very common
#1 for "computer" - 268
#1 for "software" - 268
Seth, good observation.
The top 8 sites under a search for "internet" all rank at 351. I wonder what determines a higher rank when they are tied?
As far as key phrases go:
3 word phrases seem to range from 15000-up
"florida real estate" - 15897
"stuffed koala bear" - 85553
2 word phrases seem to go about 12000-up
"real estate" - top 9 all at 12871
"computer game" - 15462 (98202 documents found)
"mole rats" - 52928 (366590 docs found)
Those last two are puzzling. There is more competition for "mole rats" than for "computer game"? Hmm, that kind of throws things off if we're assuming that the rankings correlate with number of documents found (low numbers for high competition).
Possibly they correlate to the number of times that phrase is searched on. That would make more sense but your guess is as good as mine...
actually this fits perfectly into my observation -
"computer game" which is very popular tops out at 15462 (which is a relatively low number for a 2 word phrase)
While "mole rats" tops out at 52928 which is over 3 times higher than "computer game".
edited to add --> (was looking as phrase popularity not page numbers)
Edited by: seth_wilde
1 word phrases
software - 268 (36,542,495)
computer - 282 (33,252,320)
travel - 6,469 (18,106,953)
archive - 6,979 (20,199,533)
sale - 7,874 (10,079,736)
mp3 - 14,050 (6,464,960)
radiology - 21,010 (368,795)
pokemon - 27,851 (622,300)
(ps - misspelled pokemon in my first post/search so the numbers are different.)
I can't think of any huge benefit of this "points system" other having some idea of how close you are to having a higher ranking, or having a numerical value as to how well your site is optimized. It will be interesting to monitor a new site I'm submitting as the pages show up in the index. I will keep track of what the numbers do and report here if I notice anything significant. Any other thoughts?
"Keep in mind that in any query, rare words count more than common words. If someone searches for fruit and pomegranates, pages with the word pomegranates will appear at the top of the list (a technique known as "inverse document frequency"
Edited by: NFFC
How much have you noticed the position of the word in the search phrase effects this? It seems as though if the word is at the back of the phrase (even if it is rare) it still doesn't receive as much pull as AV implies it does.
Assuming the title is of primary importance and is unable to be practically cloaked:
Making the phrase "car loans" [no quotes].
Repeat the "loans" do not repeat the "car".
pomegranates and fruit - In this phrase IDF is very strong
fruit and pomegranates - in this phrase IDF is still present but not nearly as much as in the previous search phrase
Nothing earth shattering here. I think what we've compiled here just shows that for accurate optimization you can't optimize for a search phrase (like most optimization software suggests), you need to optimize for each word in the search phrase seperately (but with the same page).