googlebot upon av submission?

how can this be?

[iggy99]

we have a new domain

first time submission to av of two pages yesterday -

what is this telling me???

after this initial crawl is it safe to take my optimised content off the page if i am targeting av?

already this list of spiders visiting the site -

% GOOGLEBOT: 216.239.46.128
crawl5.googlebot.com
Googlebot/2.1
(+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)
2 5.71 % GOOGLEBOT: 216.239.46.23
crawl1.googlebot.com
Googlebot/2.1
(+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)
2 5.71 % SCOOTER: 209.73.164.50
bigip1-snat.sv.av.com
Scooter/1.0
1 2.86 % [e-mail]: 209.202.148.17
crawler7.bos2.fast-search.net
FAST-WebCrawler/2.2-pre45
([e-mail];
[fast.no...]
tml)
1 2.86 % GOOGLEBOT: 216.239.46.19
crawl1.googlebot.com
Googlebot/2.1
(+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)

[Marcia]

>after this initial crawl is it safe to take my optimised content off the page if i am targeting av?

Forgive me iggy, I think I might be missing something here. What you are considering doing is called "bait and switch". Isn't that one of the things done by companies who do what you are referencing in this thread [webmasterworld.com]?

What is to stop anyone from reporting any dubious practices to the search engines, including sites that have switched pages?

I cannot see how these differ, ethically or conceptually, from what you are referring to in the above mentioned post. In either case, the surfer is not getting what the spiders got - it's just the technique that's different (i.e. cloaked or not cloaked). The difference I can see is that cloaking is the only means of protection against unauthorized theft of pages, something I have become acutely aware of recently, unforunately, having been a victim of code-lifting.

Perhaps someone can explain the difference to me - I must be missing something. Are you trying to protect your code on pages that have been getting high rankings, and wanting to incorporate this into your new site?

Why not just optimize pages for good placement, submit them, and let the searchers find the relevant sites that got indexed. If you're concerned about being emulated due to having high placements, purchase an inexpensive cloaking script.

[iggy99]

we are in-fact trying to protect our code - we are not doing a bait and switch - rather we are looking for our members flower shops in each city to have a chance on the www in their own city!

many of our members are mom and pop - "i am afraid of the computer" - type of folks

these are real full service flowershops listed and optimised by the city they are in -

not one national telemarketing service bureau collecting then reselling flower orders spamming the index ---

many people are duped on the web by flower scammers - people that do not have a flower shop at all --- just a phone and national florist wire service affiliation ---

we are trying to protect little peiece of internet turf for the family run flower shop

No sigs please

Edited by: NFFC

[iggy99]

and just how is it i have non av spiders visiting the web the day i submit to av and no other se's were or have ever been submited to for this url???

[seth_wilde]

"non av spiders visiting"

I would assume it's just a coincidence, I never submit to google, but they have no problem finding all the pages that I want them to see.

[mivox]

In the past 24 hours, I've been visited by googlebot, AltaVista/Scooter, and FAST... Everyone's spidering cycles seem to have hit at the same time. No big deal.

<added>I haven't submitted any pages to any of them in the past week either, so AV's visit may not even have anything to do with your submission! :) </added>