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Cloaking?

         

jilly

1:13 pm on Mar 2, 2001 (gmt 0)



I am sure this has been covered, but can you successfully cloak pages for Altavista? I am just trying to figure out if the very spammy pages I am seeing for top positions in very competitive kw searches are cloaked or if AV has totally lost it in these areas. TIA.

pete

1:33 pm on Mar 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hi Jilly,

Yes, you can cloak on AV and many do especially in competative areas.

The irony is that cloaking should infact improve the quality of sites in AV with the visitor being fed a site which has no search engine design constraints whatsoever.

It can be very difficult to determine wheteher a page has been cloaked if a good server side script has been used. But here are some pointers:

1)Title and description listed in the search results is different to those on the page you view + the page appeared/updated recently.
2) You, the visitor get re-directed.
3) The page from a search engine point of view is a dog and doesnt match any of the algo factors with poor link popularity.

Hope these help although none of them provide a concrete test. Sure that others will be along to add more info shortly.

seth_wilde

4:26 pm on Mar 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Another handy way to spot cloakers on AV is to compare the file size listed against the actual file size. (AV gives you the option of displaying file sizes on the "customize settings" page).

georged

4:43 pm on Mar 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Nice one, seth. I love a bit of lateral thinking.

jilly

6:37 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)



Thanks for the information guys, I really appreciate it! I just went and looked at search results and it looks like they've either updated or switched a database. LOL! I have a site that comes up #2 for a competitive KW phrase and the date it shows as last update is 1989! Wow! I'm ahead of my time and I didn't even know it. ;) And I thought the 2008 update shown on one of our other sites was bad.

Oh and one question Seth. As for spotting cloaking by file size differences, aren't many of the pages listed in AV old? I know that I have many pages that I've updated that will show different file sizes due to the fact that AV has not updated it.

Not that any of this really matters all that much, we get little to no traffic from AV anymore. The same site listed at #20 on google gets more traffic. Go figure.

WebGuerrilla

8:25 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Before you can get a good grasp of whether or not someone might be cloaking, you first need to get AV to reindex the page. File sizes and differences in titles and descriptions usually have more to do with the fact that it has been alond time since Scooter visited the page.

If you think someone is cloaking, re-submit the page and begin tracking it. If AV refreshes and the differences in titles and file sizes still exist, then it becomes pretty obvious that they are cloaking.

However, even if they are, you probably won't get any where with turning them in unless the content they are delivering users to does not match the search term.

jilly

12:56 am on Mar 4, 2001 (gmt 0)



I wasn't planning on turning anyone in. I don't care one way or another if they cloak. I'm just tracking some results and some of these pages just didn't seem to fit the mold, so I wanted to know how to tell if they are cloaking or not. Sometimes it's very obvious but not always. Anyway it was just for information purposes. :)