Is there a PFI option for MSN

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Is there a PFI option for MSN

now that PositioTech is no longer an option?

mona

6:39 pm on Mar 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm baffled by this. Is there a way to pay to be included in the MSN web pages now? I've looked through the new PositionTech site and read about SiteMatch and it doesn't say anything about MSN.

I know MSN uses Inktomi which is now owned by Yahoo. So does this mean by default if I use SiteMatch the pages will be in MSN?

webvisitor

7:10 pm on Mar 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, hook up with LookSmart and you will now be included in MSN. MSN re-signed L$ today however to what extent is not known. I am fully integrated in LookSmart and was getting good conversions before. I am so happy now. Lots of my competition had left after January. I would check with MSN to see if they are directing you to L$ first however.

Warren

11:56 pm on Mar 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi everyone,

Overture Site Match does provide results through to MSN - it is still part of the distribution.

Warren

mona

2:21 pm on Mar 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Excellent. Thanks, Warren. Do you know how long this will be the case? Will it be until MSN launches their own search?

jchance

10:25 pm on Mar 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Overture Site Match does provide results through to MSN - it is still part of the distribution.

Where did you get this information from?

I can almost guarantee that if Site Match was going to be powering msn that positiontech would advertise that on their website (which they dont). It is true that if you paid to have inktomi pfi previously that you would remain pfi'd on msn but I hadn't heard anything about new pfi signups for msn.

Warren

11:21 pm on Mar 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

MSN are not listed as part of the official distribution on any of the marketing material or press releases. Go look at at any of the launch partner sites and they will all have th same distribution list - including Overture.

However, if you go have a look at MSN results, you will see they are definately Yahoo! Slup results, which includes Overture Site Match.

Read into that what you will.

I believe that this relationship will continue unti mid to late 2005 but don't quote me on the exact date. It does depend on when Microsoft will have their own msnBOT in a commerically ready state, a sufficent index to provide relevant results and determine their method of making money from results. A lot of ducks to get in a row first.

Warren

steveb

12:30 am on Mar 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

"I can almost guarantee that if Site Match was going to be powering msn that positiontech would advertise that on their website (which they dont)."

It should be obvious that MSN will not be mentioned because MSN will switch to something else at some point, and that point is not known to the resellers. Positiontech isn't going to promise you'll be in MSN if they can't deliver on such a promise. They didn't promise people would be in Yahoo and people are still crying about it anyway!

webvisitor

5:49 pm on Mar 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

MSN contracted with Yahoo for INK results and OVER sponsored ads. I believe but do not have proof that Yahoo will NOT share SLURP results, only INK results that they were contracted for.
Yahoo will simply be delivering results to MSN that they will not even put up front themselves.
Semel got one over on Gates with this move.
Notice how MSN revealed this week that they are staying committed to L$. Since January 15 LookSmart has been in front of INK in most results pages of MSN search.
I keep mentioning how my L$ campaigns are second only to Mamma.com in conversion rate.

Becky

10:23 pm on Mar 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

When the switch was made and yahoo and msn quit diplaying the google results, my site which had previously ranked well in yahoo and msn disappeared completely from the index.

I decided to try to get back in by submitting though Inktomi...worst mistake I ever made. Now my site has some sort of penality on it and my money was not returned. I would have probably been ok to try to get back into the natural listings without the PFI.

Now my question is, do I have a chance of getting into the msn results by submitting my site through the free url in this thread, even though my site has been penalized by inktomi?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

jchance

10:09 pm on Mar 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

do I have a chance of getting into the msn results

First, did you ever rank well on msn? Reason I ask is that Google never powered msn. I'm wondering if you really have a penalty or maybe you just aren't optimized well for the new Yahoo! index. Simply paying to be included won't rank you well...it just guarantees that you are included.

If you do have a penalty there is nothing you can do. Best to get new domain if you ever want to rank on msn or yahoo.

Becky

11:42 pm on Mar 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

-jchance

Yes I was ranked well in MSN. On February 15th, my site dropped out of the yahoo and msn index. That is why I went the PFI route in Inktomi.

Now, my site is showing back in the MSN index, but cannot be found anywhere in the serps. Same with Yahoo.

jchance

2:29 am on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

What I have found to see if you have a penalty is this.

Go to msn and type in the exact title of your website (if its a fairly long title) or some other long text from your website.

If you site appears at the bottom of the serps, then you are probably penalized.

Another thing to try if you have a bunch of backlinks to your website is to type in the domain name of your site. If other sites that just mention you appear before you, you might be penalized too.