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9:00 am on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AskJeeves will stop accepting advertiser payments for inclusion in its searchable Web database, in a move to draw competitive lines between it and Yahoo's new search engine.

Jim Lanzone, vice president of product management for AskJeeves, said on Tuesday that after 18 months the Internet search company will cease Index Connect, its paid inclusion program. Paid inclusion allows advertisers to pay fees to have large numbers of Web addresses indexed more regularly in search engines -- a service that Yahoo just re-launched and that No. 1 search site Google denounces.

After much testing of paid inclusion the company found that it can negatively sway search results -- producing more commercial and irrelevant lists of Web sites, Lanzone said. Ultimately, that hampers the search experience, he said.

"We're never going to mix church and state again," Lanzone said.

[news.zdnet.co.uk...]

I think this just refers to the Index Connect program.

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In the same article, they say "Lanzone said that the company will still allow site operators to pay to submit their sites to its index, but that that payment would not guarantee inclusion in the database."

Now, this is a joke or what? The PFE is born, Pay For Exclusion?

And what about FREE submission in Teoma index?

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Just want to make it 100% clear, that Ask Jeeves will continue with it's Ask Jeeves Site Submit program.

This is a flat fee, 12 months subscription into the Ask Jeeves index, which is regularly spidered.

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I don't get it. With index connect, did websites have a rank boost?
10:06 am on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am not sure if Index Connect sites had a boost. I do know that half the page is usually sponsored links!
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To me, this "state and church" thing is a not-so-covert confession that Index Connect DID give a rank boost!
8:10 pm on Mar 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Funny how Positiontech is still taking subscriptions.
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Of course PT and others are still taking submissions. The single page PFI has not been dropped, it is still available - only CPC feeds have been dropped.

So, no - it's not funny at all!

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IndexExpress sites DID NOT receive any special "boost" in rankings....

They did tune in the early days, and decided not to give IndexExpress clients any "special treatment".. They even went as far to insure that we didn't even use the word "Teoma" in tracking parameters, for some reason....

I think it is a poor move.. The reason the income wasn't there for AJ, was that their distribution base was so poor. With the recent purchase of Excite.com, and associated properties, it blows my mind, why they would be dropping IndexExpress at this time? As those properties are "pure" PPC listings already?

Another case of BizDev not being able to control the ride.... :(

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makemetop - AskJeeves does not have a CPC plan with PT. Did you read the article?

AskJeeves said on Tuesday that after 18 months the Internet search company will cease Index Connect, its paid inclusion program. Paid inclusion allows advertisers to pay fees to have large numbers of Web addresses indexed more regularly in search engines

That is not CPC

And no, itís not funny. Itís not funny that I spent $1000 two weeks ago for a service that claims I can substitute my urls, then changes its mind without warning and ignores my emails. Itís disgusting and illegal.

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makemetop is correct.

Ask Jeeves has ceased its Index Connect program, which was a CPC based, XML feed program (or trusted feed).

Trusted feed is only a part of the Paid Inclusion suite offered by Ask Jeeves through various resellers.

The Site Submit program, which is a flat fee per URL (which has no CPC component) is still avialable from Ask Jeeves, using the Submit My Site link.

Hope that clears things up.

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Then I stand corrected.

Iím still irate that PT took my money and will not let me switch urlís. They wonít return emails. And strangely, every thread where I ask about it gets deleted.

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Hi Everybody - I haven't had a chance to spend a lot of time in the forums lately, as it's been a pretty busy week ;-)

It's good to see all the lively dialogue around the subject of paid inclusion. While we will be phasing out the Index Express feed program, we remain committed to the Site Submit product, which properly aligns the interests of users and site owners. Looking forward, we're actively working on new and innovative ways to put dynamic and deep-web content in front of users. As always, it boils down to relevance. Stay tunedÖ

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"innovative ways to put dynamic and deep-web content in front of users."

Please start by crawling the non-deep web and including the pages in your index.

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As always, it boils down to money.
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Jeevesguy:

Thanks for joining in the discussion. (I didn't know there was a JeevesGuy!)

First of all... congrats on the new purchase and the corresponding increase in your stock... pretty amazing.

More importantly... I want to applaud AskJeeves for making the decision to put your users first and dump the XML PFI program. I am very aware of how the XML feeds work and it is clear that they compromise the integrity of search results.

Please let Mr. Jeeves know that he has made a very wise move.

Finally, I agree with Steveb... if you really care about providing fresh results, you need to start deep crawling the entire web and including ALL content... not just paid content.

Please reply and let everyone here know... when will Jeeves will start spidering the entire web?

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JeevesGuy - what happened to you?

(I was really hoping he'd answer my last question... oh well.)

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Please start by crawling the non-deep web and including the pages in your index.

Sorry, thats not "innovative" enough.

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It's something we're actively working on.
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It's Jeeve's big chance, JeevesGuy. A window of opportunity exists with the two big guys fumbling the ball. That won't last for long so get out there and freshen up Jeeve's index quickly.
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Making our Teoma index fresher and more comprehensive is a big priority for us. Currently, our technology is still somewhat adolescent compared to Google and Yahoo in certain areas. We will definitely be making some big strides over the course of the next year in terms of making our index bigger and fresher.
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>some big strides over the course of the next year

As mayor pointed out, quickly is the key. Go AJ Go! You can carve urself a unique strong-hold niche.

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We will definitely be making some big strides over the course of the next year in terms of making our index bigger and fresher.

A free addurl page like Google and Yahoo would help, don't you think so?